Favorite 'Little' Moments...

Discussion in 'Star Trek - The Original & Animated Series' started by Farscape One, Oct 17, 2018.

  1. Defiler-Of-Redshirts

    Defiler-Of-Redshirts Commander Red Shirt

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    But if those redshirts actually had brains, they would know not to fuck with an advanced machine so powerful it almost destroyed the whole ship awhile earlier. When Nomad disobeyed them, a redshirt with something between his ears would have immediately contacted Capt. Kirk and warned him what Nomad was doing. As opposed to randomly firing on it. That's what I would have done and therefore survived.
     
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  2. JonnyQuest037

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    IMDb gets lots of stuff wrong.
     
  3. Push The Button

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    ...Metal moulds, conduit, plastoform...
     
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    But that's what I'm taking about: the guards were not on the bridge like we were when all this was happening. They know the ship took a pounding today, but nobody told them from what. And this little machine hardly looks like the culprit.
     
  5. Tenacity

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    information spreads pretty fast aboard a ship, likely the majority of the crew knew what was going on.
     
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  6. Spot261

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    Ever noticed how little emotion Kirk shows over the deaths of his crew? We can see four or five crew members die over the course of an episode which ends with him sat smugly exchanging jokes with Spock and McCoy.
     
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  7. Discofan

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    True. When we compare that to Airiam's funeral... it's just chilling.
     
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  8. ZapBrannigan

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    Yeah, there was a strong preference for happy endings, which gave Kirk a short memory. Also in "The Changeling," four billion people die in the teaser, and that's forgotten, too, almost instantly.

    It's not that I want a mourn-y episode. The trouble is that scripts with so much death in them, just "to show that the situation is serious" (quoting Galaxy Quest), force the characters to get over it and be happy again as if nothing happened. It reduces the dead characters to cardboard cutouts.

    To make Star Trek the light, generally happy show they wanted to make, they should have skipped most of the killing. If you're in an artificial, TV environment where "regulars" can't die, and it's not a dark series, then don't kill the walk-ons so much, either.
     
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  9. Commishsleer

    Commishsleer Commodore Commodore

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    I think they had a theme throughout TOS that Kirk was suffering as a 'man' because he had to give all to the ship/service and couldn't even look at a woman which was clearly ridiculous. Perhaps Kirk's suffering should have been because of all the deaths he had seen/been responsible for (in a way).
     
  10. Discofan

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    "Turnabout Intruder": When (possessed) Kirk says: "Now you know the indignity of being a woman." I don't think they would have dared put that in an episode today. It's not a favorite moment by any means, just one that I find typical of the time.
     
  11. Tenacity

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    That wasn't Kirk, that was Janice.

    Blaming everyone else and everything else for her own failing was her whole pathetic thing.
     
  12. plynch

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    Those light-hearted endings were a Gene Coon contribution, from what I've read here and elsewhere. Standardizing the bridge crew to make them more of a family. And the more happy tone cf. earlier S1. Those endings go away in S3 more or less, I do believe. Space became weirder and scarier again.
     
  13. Discofan

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    That's why I said (possessed) Kirk. It doesn't matter if it's Janice. They still wouldn't have dared to write that line today, no matter who says it.
     
  14. Tenacity

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    of course "they" would write that line today. it would be all part of the same endless lame blame the patriarchy bs.

    janice not accepting responsibility for her own ineptitude would perfectly fit in today
     
  15. Discofan

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    You're wrong. They wouldn't dare to write that as a line in the series. It's easy to see why. "Now you know the indignity of being a" and then follow that with the name of any group or minority, race, nationality, ethnic group of any kind and you'll see that it's impossible to do that without all hell getting loose.
     
  16. Defiler-Of-Redshirts

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    I loved the dohlman's insults in "Elan of Troyus" (Star Trek "Taming of the Shrew"), which was just on TV this morning: "We've given your crew permission not to kneel in our presence, what more do you want?" Or "Engines are for mechanics and menials." I loved it when Kirk couldn't take any more and slapped her after she slapped him - I'll bet that spoiled, baby-tantrum bitch had never been touched that way in her entire life.
     
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    I just read the outlines for the episode and it's even more misogynistic than the final show. A real look in Gene's brain that one. Ick.
     
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  18. Spot261

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    I'm mildly confused here, are you suggesting it was implied that Kirk was incapable of forming healthy human attachments because of his devotion to his role?
     
  19. johnnybear

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    Kirk did feel the deaths of every crew member but he knew how to mourn and get over it in pretty quick time!
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  20. Discofan

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    In Night Terrors: when Picard says "enter" several times because he thinks someone rang the doorbell and finally decides to ignore it and people enter then. The look on his face!! It's priceless.