Far-Right-Wing Violence since January 2008
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^ And if someone did?
Actually, that list omits several other prominent examples including:
The assassination of Dr. George Tiller by a Right Wing Christian fanatic (and member of the online forum FreeRepublic):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_George_Tiller
The murder of two police officers by two Right Wing "sovereign citizens" who shun U.S. law:
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/deadly-ark...-citizens-jerry-kane-joseph/story?id=11065285
A U.S. Army solider takes hostages at gunpoint at a hospital in Georgia, threatens to kill President Obama and Bill Clinton:
http://www.military.com/news/article/feds-hostagetaker-threatened-obama.html
This one is a little bit earlier (from 2007). Right Wing anti-tax protesters Ed and Elaine Brown engage in a four month armed siege with federal agents in their New Hampshire home, threatening to kill any federal agent that tried to arrest them. They recruited a small cadre of Right Wing anti-government militia types to join them and fight the government:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_and_Elaine_Brown
There's plenty more, I just can't think of them all right now.
Actually he is. Aren't you supposed to put it the sig under your avatar for awhile?
We're dealing with hypotheticals now? We know for a fact that Glenn Beck inspired the Oakland shooter. Maybe we'll wake up tomorrow and some crazy Olbermann acolyte will have blown up a NRA convention or something, but I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for something like that to happen. In the meantime, it's probably only a matter of weeks before the next Right Wing nutjob surfaces to commit an act of violence. I'm sorry that reality isn't "non-partisan", but it's a simple fact that the politically-inspired violence in this country as of late has been exclusively Right Wing.
You're thinking of me.
No I'm definitely not thinking of you.
Here are my questions:
What is the point of this whole exercise? Is the left trying to shame the right into being nicer ? Are they trying to win over people to their side by saying that if you think right wing you'll become a nut? Just asking.
If you want to lie, go right ahead. I never said that. Every example I cited was of crazed individuals who were indeed Right Wing. Ed and Elaine Brown for example, aside from being anti-tax and anti-government, were also religious zealots who had previous involvement with the Right Wing militia movement.
Jerry Kane, the "sovereign citizen" who died in a shootout with police along with his son after they killed two police officers had links to Glenn Beck's 9/12 Project. In fact, Jerry Kane's "how to avoid paying taxes" seminar business was advertised on Glenn Beck's 9/12 Project website. The van Jerry Kane was driving when he was pulled over by the cops was registered to a fundamentalist Evangelical Church in Ohio called God's House of Prayer that espouses White-supremacist Aryan Nation ideology. So if you have proof that he was a Left Wing anti-government anarchist, I'm open to hearing it. Facts, evidence and reality says otherwise though.
So if there are any specific examples I cited that you take umbrage with being labeled "Right Wing", then please mention them. You want so desperately to believe that these people I cited aren't motivated by extremist Right Wing political beliefs, but they are. No amount of burying your head in the sand will change that fact.
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The point is to get the right wing and everyone else to restrict their rhetoric to the realm of sanity (unlike say trying to convince people the half-black president is a nazi) because the more people who actually believe their political opponents are commie-nazis or whatever, the more we can expect to see those people doing drastic things. I posted a link a few days ago about Glenn Beck fans issuing death threats to someone he calls an "enemy of the constitution." He noted the story on his radio program and was thoroughly unrepentant. The man is radicalizing people. He should either stop or be prepared to bear some of the responsibility when someone who believes one of his punching bags is actually evil acts accordingly.
Ok.. So I realize that comparing property destruction to the death of even one individual is apples to oranges, but it seems to me that there is a lot of left wing violence that is being fogotten here.
The violence experienced at the WHO summit a few years back caused hundreds of thousands of dollars in property damage.
The ELF has, through the years, destoyed millions of dollars worth of property.
So the issue goes both ways... The thing I also think needs mentioning is that far left-right extremists don't NEED influence from the media.. They're already nut jobs and would be doing whatever it is they are doing/have done no matter what Glenn Beck or Ed Schultz spout on a daily basis.
That said, pseudo-enviro-wacko groups DO feed the public a bunch of shit when it comes to certain things.. There's a group here in Santa Fe that, while not violent in any way, certainly influences the more left-leaning public with their own brand of "science" when it comes to forest and watershed health.
The violence experienced at the WHO summit a few years back caused hundreds of thousands of dollars in property damage.
The ELF has, through the years, destoyed millions of dollars worth of property.
So the issue goes both ways... The thing I also think needs mentioning is that far left-right extremists don't NEED influence from the media.. They're already nut jobs and would be doing whatever it is they are doing/have done no matter what Glenn Beck or Ed Schultz spout on a daily basis.
That said, pseudo-enviro-wacko groups DO feed the public a bunch of shit when it comes to certain things.. There's a group here in Santa Fe that, while not violent in any way, certainly influences the more left-leaning public with their own brand of "science" when it comes to forest and watershed health.
You're right. It doesn't compare. Not even close.
I think you mean WTO. And that was in 1999 (12 years ago, a bit more than "a few years"). If we're going back to the 1990's, then should I bring up Oklahoma City and how that was perpetrated by a Right Wing extremist? Guess how much in property damage THAT caused? Oh yeah, and 168 dead people.
No, it really doesn't. I'm sorry, but the ELF setting some SUVs on fire doesn't really compare to the cold-blooded murders of SEVEN police officers or the other people murdered by Right Wing extremists, nor the plots of terrorism and mass murder that have been foiled (Hutaree, Byron Williams, etc).
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I was not being time-specific.. And yes.. Thank you.. WTO... I probably have too much Dr. Who on the mind... Wow.. didn't realize it was that long ago.. How time flies..
The point wasn't for you to get all counter-pointy and bring up Oklahoma City.. I thought that Oklahoma City would already be assumed as part of the dicussion in general.
Point being, which you seemed to miss, is that with all the exaggerated pontificating about how right wing media is inciting violence, the radical left wing doesn't seem to need that kind of "encouragement" to perform violent acts..
Oh, and as far as the ELF is concerned, it's not just a few SUV they've destroyed..
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The point wasn't for you to get all counter-pointy and bring up Oklahoma City.. I thought that Oklahoma City would already be assumed as part of the dicussion in general.
Point being, which you seemed to miss, is that with all the exaggerated pontificating about how right wing media is inciting violence, the radical left wing doesn't seem to need that kind of "encouragement" to perform violent acts..
Oh, and as far as the ELF is concerned, it's not just a few SUV they've destroyed..
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Haven't killed a single person, now have they? We have at least two dozen documented examples of Right Wing violence, terrorism or attempted terrorism from just the past two years alone. What has the ELF done in the past two years? Where are all these violent liberals who "don't need incitement?"
You seem to subscribe to this false notion that "the Left is just as bad as the Right," that everything is somehow equal. That's not true. Reality isn't non-partisan. The truth is, the political Right in this country is far far far worse than the political Left when it comes to extremist violence. That's just how it is. Maybe it won't be like that forever, but it is right now. There's seven dead police officers already whose families can attest to this and that's just from the last 24 months.
I looked at your wikipedia page for the ELF, and the most recent thing they did in the U.S. was disable a single construction vehicle in Texas in 2009 and overturn a radio tower near Seattle. So yeah, that's what they've been up to for the past two years. Doesn't really compare, now does it?
Oh, and one more thing to add to the OP's list, the assassination of Arkansas Democratic Party Chairman Bill Gwatney in 2008.
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Late responding, but no, I'm not all right with that. That's why I think that any system of political ideals, even one that imagines it's about "freedom," that isn't founded on the equal rights of human beings, each of whom has a life equally precious to him or her, is in principle compatible with oppression. Indeed, the conservative ideology of small government was formed in slave-holding times. The majority was shamelessly dishonest, mindlessly bigoted and murderously cruel, all while firmly believing in Jacksonian democracy. Whereas in principle all leftwing political systems are incompatible. In practice, since most people prize "common sense" over consistency, I'm not sure this is guarantee enough.
In other words, John Brown was a great man. Violence to liberate slaves was a blow for freedom and equality. Loughner's blow for the gold standard is true blue conservatism and despicable.
How can any decent human being think the embarrassment of being criticized as a bloodthirsty demagogue is anywhere near as bad as getting shot in the head? It's not conservatives had much interest in brains.
Besides, Gifford is probably just the first.
This, plus: I'd rather someone overturn a radio tower than murder a nine-year-old daughter of mine, but what do I know?
Oh, right, Olbermann's the hateful one, according to ichab. Think of the poor radio tower's family! (Not that he ever suggested anyone should knock one over, but who knows, maybe someday he will.)
You guys just don't get the point.. But it's ok.. I knew it would be a losing battle going in. 
Violence of ANY type in the name of political ferver is abhorrant. It's especially bad when politicians use violent imagry to get their point across, but both sides are guilty. For every "2nd amendment solution" there's someone on the other side (in this case, President Obama) saying "If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun.."
Violence of ANY type in the name of political ferver is abhorrant. It's especially bad when politicians use violent imagry to get their point across, but both sides are guilty. For every "2nd amendment solution" there's someone on the other side (in this case, President Obama) saying "If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun.."
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George W Bush was called a nazi by the left on countless occasions. Where was your calls for civility then?
Doesn't work that way. Beck's speech is protected by the first amendment. Beck is no more responsible than a horror film director is on a copy cat killing.
This, plus: I'd rather someone overturn a radio tower than murder a nine-year-old daughter of mine, but what do I know?
Oh, right, Olbermann's the hateful one, according to ichab. Think of the poor radio tower's family! (Not that he ever suggested anyone should knock one over, but who knows, maybe someday he will.)
If you're going to bring me up in a post, don't lie about what I said.