Far-Right-Wing Violence since January 2008

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Folks not having a clue about Anarchism? I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.

"Anarchism is the attempt to eradicate domination. This includes not only such obvious forms as the nation-state, with its routine use of violence and the force of law, and the corporation, with its institutionalized irresponsibility, but also such internalized forms as patriarchy, racism, homophobia. Also it is the attempt to expose the ways our philosophy, religion, economics, and other ideological constructions perform their primary function, which is to rationalize or naturalize --make seem natural-- the domination that pervades our way of life: the destruction of the natural world or of indigenous peoples, for example, comes not from the result of decisions actively made and actions pursued, but instead, so we convince ourselves, as a manifestation of Darwinian selection, or God's will, or economic exigency. Beyond that, Anarchism is the attempt to look even into those parts of our everyday lives we accept as givens, as part of the universe, to see how they, too, dominate us or facilitate our domination over others... Most fundamentally, I would see Anarchism as a synonym for anti-authoritarianism." - John Zerzan

 

[RJDiogenes]

Sounds like he's trying to rationalize or naturalize being an anti-social nut.

 

[Misfit Toy]

Why not allow ME to state my own positions, thanks.

You didn't buy Kaczinski's statement of his positions...

 

[stj]

The facts speak for themselves regarding left-wing violence. There simply is no equality to right-wing violence, even when you plays semantic games. Violence during strikes have been omitted in discussion above, for the good reason there isn't much of that either. While discussion of right-wing violence omits all acts by state agents, which dwarfs left-wing violence, not just in this country but in the world.
Even talking about left-wing violence, in fact or in rhetoric, is a Big Lie designed to apologize for murder.

Caught in the act, I think we can waive technicalities in a pointless discussion on a bbs about Loughner's presumption of innocence, which I unreservedly concede should be given as much as possible during his trial. (Particularly given questions about any of his political contacts. I haven't forgotten the quckly suppressed photo another person of interest!) The implicit claim that Loughner attempted to assassinate a Jewish Democrat he had no political views about how the Democrats weren't part of an evil oppressive machine, and how the abandonment of gold-backed money wasn't how they were stealing from poor people and how the distortions of a the Constitution weren't in effect producing a new, oppressive false "Constitution," well, the claim is so ludicrous it is obvious no one believes such witless horseshit.

That's why they try to pretend it's a question of the intensity of the rhetoric actually inciting the immediate act itself. The crazy ideas that Loughner has are why he picked Gabrielle Giffords. These crazy ideas are shared, sadly, by millions of seemingly normal people. Hell, Loughner's fellow goldbugs on this bbs are also beyond the appeal to reason! It's merely Loughner's personal problems, which may well be schizophrenia, which would be exculpatory (except that many here are so benighted as to deny this elementary moral principle!) which led him to act upon these crazy ideas in such a way.

People with such crazy ideas are mostly healthy enough that they aren't so desperate as to sacrifice their lives or risk jail, in picking up a gun. But in the back of their mind, all this talk of oppression and socialist Obama and similar psychotic horseshit, is the idea that they are ready to kill those who threaten their little dream worlds. Even now, they blindly applaud the relentless muder by drone or the mass deaths of endless invasions for no reason whatsoever, solely as temporary palliative to their psychotic fears. Many of the gun nuts have already armed themselves for shooting down the bad guys (various people of color, Democrats, socialists, etc.) come the revolution.

Making excuses the Palins and Becks and Savages and all that ilk is taking a share of the guilt.

 

[fett51]

Nowhere in his post does Moulitsas attempt to provide an actual link between individual statements and individual action. He simply believes the rhetoric of Palin, Beck, et al. is hateful, ties together a number of highly disparate crimes under one banner, and says they are responsible. Peoples motivations and actions are simply far too complex to be summed up in a simple analysis like whet you posted. To say that speech A leads to action B requires a lot more sophisticated presentation of peoples psychology.

I agree with your point about psychology generally and have no interest in defending this blogger, however, by way of example Glenn Beck fans have taken to issuing death threats against a CUNY professor he calls an enemy of the constitution and all his usual hyperbolic tripe:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/22/b...l=1&adxnnlx=1295709283-9I/rqKZPR7iTB6VkJenMBw

If some of these people actually do try to kill her, he would of course not be directly responsible, but I find it hard to see how he would not bear some responsibility for radicalizing these people.

Heated and and at times blatantly malicious political rhetoric has always existed in this country from day one. There is no bit of rhetoric you can bring up from someone that I cannot find an almost exact corollary statement from the other side.

It's not that the right-wing rhetoric is worse, it's that there is more of it coming from more mouths than on the left right now.

The Mosque bombing: There have been hundred if not thousands of church bombings in the history of this country for numerous reasons. There was a rash of church fires in the south a few years ago. Can I blame that on the rhetoric of the "New Atheists"?

You talking about these: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/09/national/09arson.html?_r=1 ? AFAIK they never caught the mosque bomber.

Not to mention that trying to frame white supremacist violence as a new phenomena that can be tied to political rhetoric is just silly.

It's not new. But it is flaring up. They did more in '08 alone than they did in the preceding portion of the decade. Check the data for yourself:

http://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/search...e&ob=GTDID&od=desc&expanded=yes#results-table

 

[Stardate]

I love when people are always quick to bring out white supremacist violence but totally forget that Black on white crime are A LOT far more common. But reporting on this attacks aren't politically correct so this attacks are suppressed and disorted by the left based media. RIP Cannon Christian and Christoher Newsom.

 

[Misfit Toy]

I love when people are always quick to bring out white supremacist violence but totally forget that Black on white crime are A LOT far more common. But reporting on this attacks aren't politically correct so this attacks are suppressed and disorted by the left based media. RIP Cannon Christian and Christoher Newsom.

Are you really suggesting that black on white crime is politically motivated?

 

[Lookingglassman]

I love when people are always quick to bring out white supremacist violence but totally forget that Black on white crime are A LOT far more common. But reporting on this attacks aren't politically correct so this attacks are suppressed and disorted by the left based media. RIP Cannon Christian and Christoher Newsom.

Yeah, the liberal lamestream media must sweep all this supposed crime into the same dustbin it keeps filled with reports of missing black women that barely get any air time because they aren't the right color.

 

[fett51]

I love when people are always quick to bring out white supremacist violence but totally forget that Black on white crime are A LOT far more common. But reporting on this attacks aren't politically correct so this attacks are suppressed and disorted by the left based media. RIP Cannon Christian and Christoher Newsom.

By 2009 FBI hate crimes statistics, whites lead the field in hate crimes by far, with the exception of robbery.

 

[Switch]

Sounds like he's trying to rationalize or naturalize being an anti-social nut.

Anarchism is the most pro-social ideology of all. Indeed, it is only in the absence of relations of power between individuals that true sociality is possible. When the child apologises to his mother and embraces her, does he do so out of love and sincere regret, or because he is hungry and she controls the fridge?

 

[RJDiogenes]

Anarchy is the absence of civilization.

 

[Switch]

Exactly the kind of nonsense I've come to expect from you.

 

[Stardate]

I love when people are always quick to bring out white supremacist violence but totally forget that Black on white crime are A LOT far more common. But reporting on this attacks aren't politically correct so this attacks are suppressed and disorted by the left based media. RIP Cannon Christian and Christoher Newsom.

Are you really suggesting that black on white crime is politically motivated?

no i am not but it seems white on black crime would get the headlines far quicker in the main media especially left based media then black on white crime. Same thing when right wing attacks. Take a look at Arizona shooting. Liberals quickly point the finger at the right wing and poor Palin name came up within ours after the attack.
But when more information came out that shooter was a far lefty who had Obama08 bumber sticker on his or father car. I have heard any apology from the left towards Palin.

 

[TheBrew]

Exactly the kind of nonsense I've come to expect from you.

Words have meanings, you know. The great works we have achieved as a civilization could not happen within an anarchy. You can try all you like to make it look all flowery, but anarchy will lead to wide-spread disease, murder and poverty. Wars themselves will be fewer as there will be nobody organizing them (nor bodies politic to start them over resources), but everyday living would be terrible.

"For the savage people in many places of America, except the government of small families, the concord whereof dependeth on natural lust, have no government at all, and live at this day in that brutish manner."

-Thomas Hobbes

 

[ichab]

Apparently he missed the part of the President's speech asking that no one point fingers. It's amazing how much the left continues this strategy of demonization that isn't going to work. They're not going to convince anyone but themselves that Palin and Beck are responsible for violence in this country and it will only appear petty to everyone else.

 

[Satyrquaze]

By 2009 FBI hate crimes statistics, whites lead the field in hate crimes by far, with the exception of robbery.

When did robbery become a hate crime?

 

[fett51]

By 2009 FBI hate crimes statistics, whites lead the field in hate crimes by far, with the exception of robbery.

When did robbery become a hate crime?

On its own it's probably not, but it can be if they beat the guy up AND steal his wallet. There are certainly enough assault charges for that to have been the case in every instance.

 

[Squiggy]

It's amazing how much the left continues this strategy of demonization that isn't going to work.

Ya know...the right does it too.

 

[Pingfah]

By 2009 FBI hate crimes statistics, whites lead the field in hate crimes by far, with the exception of robbery.

When did robbery become a hate crime?

The list concerns crimes "that manifest evidence of prejudice based on race, religion, sexual orientation, or ethnicity" according to the website. So presumably any sort of incidental evidence of prejudice being expressed during the course of a crime would qualify it for the list.

 

[Garak]

Anarchy is the absence of civilization.

Anarchy nowadays seems to consist of angry, misguided young people that wear masks like cowards and think that breaking the window of a Gap store and running away from riot police somehow symbolizes a crowning achievment in the name of being anti-corporation and anti-government.

Losers. Every single one of them.