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Fans with quibbles- Read Countdown!!!!!!

srombomb

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Ok, even I, who loved the new movie, decided to run into my local bookstore and read the trade paperback edition of Countdown, the canon-prequel tie in that was officially endorsed by JJ Abrams, Bob Orci, and Alex Kurtzman.

That being said, it answered all of my remaining questions. How was the Narada so powerful? Because Nero got it outfitted with borg/romulan technology in his timeline before getting accidentally flung into the black hole with Spock Prime.

Why is Nero so stubborn about wanting to make Spock hurt for what happened to Romulus? Because in countdown, you get the sense Nero was already getting extremely troubled at the politics of Vulcan not relenting their red matter technology in time to save his planet. Nero even warns Spock at one point by saying he will place full blame on Vulcan, and him if his planet doesn't make it. There is a key scene in the comic where Spock pleads with Nero to be more patient and diplomatic, and it's at that point where Nero essentially says "Damn you all to hell, I'm not waiting on anyone anymore, your just like the rest of these politicians". From that point on, their (Nero and Spock's friendship) goes bye bye, and I even got the sense from reading this story that their friendship was always sort of unsincere at best... The point is, Nero had all this rage brewing from the beginning of knowing his planet could be doomed.. Since Spock was what Nero related to Vulcan as a whole, it only made since when Nero lost his mind after Romulus is destroyed that he would do the easiest thing: Place full blame on the man who he felt was the tip of the spear to convincing his fellow Vulcans to help in time.

So these people who try arguing that Nero had no reason to be so mad at Spock are wrong. Spock held the key to convincing Vulcan to help, and he failed. Think of the movie Cliffhangar when Stallone can't hold onto his friends girlfriend hanging from the rope. Who gets full blame? It's really no different here.

Lastly, I'm just disappointed this couldn't have been made into a trilogy of movies. The story is a tragic one, and I think it could have translated quite well to the silver screen and made a solid profit. There was some damn fine writing that went into this entire story from soup to the nuts we saw in the film itself.
Nero represents one of those tragic characters who had good intentions but went evil because of the love and obsession he had with saving his wife and unborn son. It's too bad average folks who would never read the prequel story could not have gotten a little more background in the film regarding why he is so hellbent on doing what he is doing.

Nuff said.

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Countdown, the canon-prequel tie in that was officially endorsed by JJ Abrams, Bob Orci, and Alex Kurtzman.
Under the rules of nuTrek, are books pertaining to nuTrek going to be canon?
 
I should not have to need any supplemental material whether it be a podcast, a webisode, a comic book, a writer interview to be able to understand a film or tv show. Moore was bad with stuff like this and so it seems to be the case with Abrams with this film.

The film should stand on its own. So, no I have no intention of reading it to clear up any quibbles I have. Films and tv shows before this decade managed to accomodate the relevant material in them so I'm not giving a pass to these overstuffed shows where the writers edit stuff out because they can't write efficiently. The majority of folks don't even go to the internet or are aware of these materials any way.

In fact, this just shows that the film was too cluttered tackling too many different things. It tried being an origin film, a Kirk/Spock film, a Starfleet Academy film, a time travel etc and they ended up not doing justice to a lot of it.
 
I should not have to need any supplemental material whether it be a podcast, a webisode, a comic book, a writer interview to be able to understand a film or tv show. Moore was bad with stuff like this and so it seems to be the case with Abrams with this film.

The film should stand on its own. So, no I have no intention of reading it to clear up any quibbles I have. Films and tv shows before this decade managed to accomodate the relevant material in them so I'm not giving a pass to these overstuffed shows where the writers edit stuff out because they can't write efficiently. The majority of folks don't even go to the internet or are aware of these materials any way.

Bingo, although I will read them.

A film should stand on its own. And Star Trek has some plot flaws that should have been explained. They could have jettisoned some of the retarded stuff, like the Scotty in the water tubes bit and given brief explanations that made sense and gave us required knowledge.
 
Writers and Producers of Star Trek 2009 - Explain Your Movie on the Screen! Don't make fans read comic books to explain away your plot holes!
 
Writers and Producers of Star Trek 2009 - Explain Your Movie on the Screen! Don't make fans read comic books to explain away your plot holes!
I *sort* of agree with you there, I think it would have been a good idea for NERO to have had a FLASHBACK scene explaining some of the events of countdown. Would that have just been to much for you J.J.? :vulcan:
 
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