Fan-Editing a pre-Endshame ending to the series?

[Gaith]

My issue with people who didn't like the episode is they don't quantify their argument with how or why they thought it sucked.

You mean to say "qualify". To "quantify" something is to attach a number to it. For example, let me quantify your apparent comprehension of the difference between qualification and quantification: less than 100%.

The "proof" that Gaith posted is hardly cogent or rational...this coming from someone who is a member of a SW prequel rejection society?? Puh-lease.. I am sure there is no bias there either.. A blog with someone hyperventilating over what the writers should have done and how talentless and clueless they are isn't going to sway me to their side. Bile is not fact..Merely opinion and a completely unsubstantiated one at that..

Someone with an opinion on the SW PT cannot reasonably critique Endgame? Let me quantify how much sense that makes: 4%. Maybe 3%. There seems to be a coherent idea vaguely implied here - that I hate all sci-fi writers - and it's farcical, but it's not quite a total non sequitur.

Go ahead and have your thread.. I just don't think Endgame was such a horrible thing is all.

Allow me to quantify my interest in having this thread turn into an evaluation of Endgame: 0%.



@ Blip: I appreciate the input. I'll report back when and if I do any further research upon the matter.

 

[Blip]

I don't refuse to be swayed at all.

You could have fooled me...

How was Endgame an ill-conceived attempt?
How is the decision ignorant or lazy?

I already indicated my answer to this: They have rehashed a pre-existing concept, and executed it poorly. If you can't be bothered to read anyone else's posts properly, how can you expect to maintain intelligent discussion?

If you insist, I could go into further detail on the whys from my PoV... I'll do it elsewhere though.

They brought in a way to deal a threatening blow to the Borg, they showed what lives they would have led once home, they showed the how Janeway ultimately dealt with her guilt for having stranded her crew there. It's not about getting home. It's about the journey. That was the point of the episode.

Most of these aspects have either been thrown in last-minute; either for convenience or the "kewl" factor.

My issue with people who didn't like the episode is they don't quantify their argument

Well, my days of not taking you seriously are certainly... nevermind.

It sucked because it was stupid. It sucked because the writers were lazy and wanted to give a middle finger to the fans..It sucked because the writers were ignorant and so on.

I never said they were giving a middle finger to anyone.. please avoid putting words into my mouth.

And you know what? It is my right to have my opinion as much as you are allowed yours.

Didn't I already say that? Seriously, read my bleeding post.

The "proof" that Gaith posted is hardly cogent or rational...this coming from someone who is a member of a SW prequel rejection society??

I never invoked his sources, I am commenting based on my own observations, which seem a damned sight more objective than yours right now.

And who are you to say that rejecting the SW prequels is a bad thing?

Puh-lease..

Please yourself...

 

[number6]

My issue with people who didn't like the episode is they don't quantify their argument with how or why they thought it sucked.

You mean to say "qualify". To "quantify" something is to attach a number to it. For example, let me quantify your apparent comprehension of the difference between qualification and quantification: less than 100%.

The "proof" that Gaith posted is hardly cogent or rational...this coming from someone who is a member of a SW prequel rejection society?? Puh-lease.. I am sure there is no bias there either.. A blog with someone hyperventilating over what the writers should have done and how talentless and clueless they are isn't going to sway me to their side. Bile is not fact..Merely opinion and a completely unsubstantiated one at that..

Someone with an opinion on the SW PT cannot reasonably critique Endgame? Let me quantify how much sense that makes: 4%. Maybe 3%. There seems to be a coherent idea vaguely implied here - that I hate all sci-fi writers - and it's farcical, but it's not quite a total non sequitur.

Go ahead and have your thread.. I just don't think Endgame was such a horrible thing is all.

Allow me to quantify my interest in having this thread turn into an evaluation of Endgame: 0%.



@ Blip: I appreciate the input. I'll report back when and if I do any further research upon the matter.

So your only response to my post is to insult and berate me for using the word "quantify" instead of "qualify?" I am glad I am dealing with adults here.

Enjoy your little thread, boys. You've got nothing, as usual.

As does your little friend, Blip.

 

[Blip]

I'd wager my "nothing" against your rhetoric any day. And if that's the most intelligent a response you could come up with number6, then frankly it's little wonder your expectations for Endgame are so low.

 

[number6]

I wouldn't waste an intelligent response on you. You'd never understand without pictures.

 

[BillJ]

My big problem with Endgame is how inconsistent season 2 Janeway is with season 7 Janeway is in regards to what she's willing to do to go home.

In Death Wish she allows her crew to remain stranded in the Delta Quadrant so one misbehaving Q can off himself, in Endgame she has no problem changing the course for billions of beings in the Alpha, Beta and Delta quadrants by allowing her future self to interfere with the timeline.

 

[number6]

There was always a struggle with Janeway between doing the moral thing and the guilt about stranding her crew.

 

[BillJ]

There was always a struggle with Janeway between doing the moral thing and the guilt about stranding her crew.

I agree. But to me this was too much of a one-eighty.

JANEWAY: I'm aware everyone has families and loved ones at homes they want to get back to. So do I. But I'm not willing to trade the lives of the Ocampa for our convenience. We'll have to find another way home.

By Voyager coming home sixteen years earlier, how many instances of interference that were for the good were wiped away to save one person?

In my opinion, they essentially destroyed any credibility the Janeway character had with this episode.

The episode needed a serious reworking that abandoned the time travel elements or they should have just left Voyager in the Delta Quadrant.

 

[number6]

Except that's not what we got. I don't think they destroyed Janeway's credibilty. If anything they showed just how strong her feelings of guilt were and how cynical it had made her. Whatever.. Endgame wasn't terrible. It was fitting for the series which had its good and bad moments.

 

[Gaith]

The episode needed a serious reworking that abandoned the time travel elements

As in Whettstone's excellent idea here, top of the page.

 

[BlobVanDam]

So Gaith, how is this coming along? Even though I have no major beef with Endgame, I'm interested in seeing fan edits for something like this, because I like seeing what people can come up with.

 

[Gaith]

Oh, this is very much just a brainstorming idea at present. I'll try to check out "The Gift" before too long, but no promises.

 

[froot]

Whenever it happens, I'd be interested in seeing it as well!

(this also goes for whatever BlobVanDam seems to be up to!)