Excalibur (King Arthur's sword) vs. Mjöllnir (Thor's Hammer)
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Yet another of those irresistible force meets immovable object questions?
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Well "Excalibur" the film by John Boorman shows the sword shatter when Arthur fights Lancelot for the first time, implying that Lancelot is the more virtuous warrior. I think Thor using Mjollnir would eventually end up shattering the sword. Something created by Gods against something created by magic? Surely Excalibur would end up being shattered.
The film mixes things up a bit from the various stories -- the sword in the stone wasn't Excalibur.
Mjollnir is a godly creation. Excalibur isn't. Mjollnir wins.
What about the Golden Gun from the N64 game Goldeneye?
Some Excaliburs are "godly" - as in Bradley's Mists of Avalon. The origin of the traditional Excalibur is mysterious, but clearly unearthly, while the sword in the stone was directly divine. So it might depend on which Excalibur you're talking about, although I'd still bet on Thor's Mjolnir (especially if it follows Marvel rules: to have an equal contest between beings of equal strength, Excalibur would have to be wielded by a Thor-level being, and the strength of that being might shatter Excalibur simply by using it. Also, Mjolnir can summon lightning, can't it?).
According to some sources. According to others it was.
There's no such thing as a "definitive" King Arthur myth, so either approach is right, or more correctly, neither approach is wrong.
That's probably true!
The point is that the OP needs to define "which" Excalibur is in question.
Arthur tried to use Excalibur to alter the verdict that Lancelot was the more worthy. If Excalibur is wielded unjustly, it may break. On the other hand, in the film, it is "part of the Dragon", which I take to mean "part of the spirit of Britain". The implication is that when wielded justly, it cannot fail, so that Excalibur renders a just verdict under the principles of trial by combat.
Therefore, the issue is whether Thor is acting in accordance with divine intent. If Thor is so acting, then Excalibur will break. If Thor is out of line in confronting Arthur, then Mjöllnir is going to get smacked back at least.
In the film, Arthur came to his senses, realized the error of his ways, and Excalibur was restored by divine intervention. One would hope that Thor, in his sincere regret of having been rash, rather than of being mortally wounded, will be healed of his wound from having been run through by Excalibur when he momentarily lost control of his hammer, so that Arthur and Thor can part in mutual respect and greater wisdom.
Mjolnir wins by a league, especially if it's the Marvel Universe version and the wielder is "worthy". Excalibur might be magic, but can it control the weather and act as a space-folding device? Wouldn't think so.
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Let's use the Excalibur given by the lady of the lake. Its powers include "its scabbard protected its bearer from physical harm. Many interpretations of the legend appear to endow the sword with a cutting strength and durability beyond that of ordinary weapons, making it unbreakable by anything but wrongful acts of its user."
This made me laugh.
This is really the question we should be focusing on.
Frankly the answer is quite simple ... both Thors Hammer - Mjólnir and King Arthurs Sword - Excalibur are equally matched.
Excalibur is not the sword in the stone. It was forged in Avalon and given to Arthur by The Lady of The Lake. Avalon and the land of the mist are known to be one and the same .. The land of the mist is known as Niflheim and is one of the nine worlds familiar to Thor. Odin (Thors father) was said to visit Niflheim twice or so .. On one of the visits Loki .. ( The one who ordered the creation of the Hammer ) presented Excalibur to Odin blessed it. Odin claimed that Loki had created a magnificent piece of weaponry, a weapon of such great power is only worthy to a man who's intentions are pure. So Odin made the sword to separate so that if a man whose heart was unclean touched the sword it would shatter instantly in battle and would only be reforged if someone who is truly worthy attempts to assemble it ... (When Excalibur was reforged it levitated from the ground .. whether it could have caused the wielder to levitate is unknown) ..
Excalibur is said to posses the ability to energize the wielder making his/her mind focused and active .. Also it has the ability to realize energy when wielded correctly. .. When it was first drawn a bright energy was released which blinded all the foe making the battle and easy win .. Also when when Girflet attempted to throw the sword away a shock of unearthly green energy was realized from the sword .. Later which Arthur used to wipe out all the front line soldiers and their horses during battle .. Finally its scabbard was said to heal and stop blood loss, Leaving the one who wielded Excalibur practically invincible (this scabbard was supposedly stolen by Morgan Le Fay, who threw it into the lake) .. Excalibur was also created to be durable, cutting edge and unbreakable (only the wrong acts of the wielder could break it) .. So I think Excalibur is not as weak and fragile as you all might think ...
Thor's Hammer Mjólnir was ordered for creation by Loki. A mighty hammer must be made for the kings son and future heir to the throne. Odin blessed the Hammer upon its creation. Thor's hammer is quite extraordinary. It is said to command thunder and lightening and grants the bearer the ability to re-direct the lightning from the peen towards the target. It is said to be unmovable by any one who the hammer did not trust. The enormous weight of it could pull the holder causing him/her to fly .. It would come forth by the call of its name both practically and telepathically .. It is also said that only those who are worthy can touch the hammer.
I consider both weapons to be evenly matched ... Especially if it was thor against athur in battle as they are both masters of their own weapons .. I am a current scholar and have done great research into this topic .. Feel free to argue or add to what i've said ..
Excalibur is not the sword in the stone. It was forged in Avalon and given to Arthur by The Lady of The Lake. Avalon and the land of the mist are known to be one and the same .. The land of the mist is known as Niflheim and is one of the nine worlds familiar to Thor. Odin (Thors father) was said to visit Niflheim twice or so .. On one of the visits Loki .. ( The one who ordered the creation of the Hammer ) presented Excalibur to Odin blessed it. Odin claimed that Loki had created a magnificent piece of weaponry, a weapon of such great power is only worthy to a man who's intentions are pure. So Odin made the sword to separate so that if a man whose heart was unclean touched the sword it would shatter instantly in battle and would only be reforged if someone who is truly worthy attempts to assemble it ... (When Excalibur was reforged it levitated from the ground .. whether it could have caused the wielder to levitate is unknown) ..
Excalibur is said to posses the ability to energize the wielder making his/her mind focused and active .. Also it has the ability to realize energy when wielded correctly. .. When it was first drawn a bright energy was released which blinded all the foe making the battle and easy win .. Also when when Girflet attempted to throw the sword away a shock of unearthly green energy was realized from the sword .. Later which Arthur used to wipe out all the front line soldiers and their horses during battle .. Finally its scabbard was said to heal and stop blood loss, Leaving the one who wielded Excalibur practically invincible (this scabbard was supposedly stolen by Morgan Le Fay, who threw it into the lake) .. Excalibur was also created to be durable, cutting edge and unbreakable (only the wrong acts of the wielder could break it) .. So I think Excalibur is not as weak and fragile as you all might think ...
Thor's Hammer Mjólnir was ordered for creation by Loki. A mighty hammer must be made for the kings son and future heir to the throne. Odin blessed the Hammer upon its creation. Thor's hammer is quite extraordinary. It is said to command thunder and lightening and grants the bearer the ability to re-direct the lightning from the peen towards the target. It is said to be unmovable by any one who the hammer did not trust. The enormous weight of it could pull the holder causing him/her to fly .. It would come forth by the call of its name both practically and telepathically .. It is also said that only those who are worthy can touch the hammer.
I consider both weapons to be evenly matched ... Especially if it was thor against athur in battle as they are both masters of their own weapons .. I am a current scholar and have done great research into this topic .. Feel free to argue or add to what i've said ..
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I can't say for sure what would happen, but both weapons seem to be sentient to some degree, it might be that they would refuse to fight..although Excalibur can be tricked as seen in the Thundercat's episode where Mumra pretends to be Arthur and uses it to attack Lion-o..and beats the Sword of Omens.
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