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"Evita" movie with Madonna

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I recently finally saw the movie version of Evita, starring Madonna, Antonio Banderas, & Jonathan Pryce. I'd heard a lot of the soundtrack before but this was my first time seeing the whole movie. Overall, I'd give it a C-. There are a lot of fun songs and Antonio Banderas gives the best performances of his career (which is quite a feat considering I thought he was very good in Desperado & The Mask of Zorro, two much better movies).

There are two things that killed the movie for me:

1.) Madonna is terrible. Her vocal performance carries the songs admirably. But she fails to create a vibrant character. There's such a clinical distance from her character that I'm still not sure whether it's supposed to be the story of a well-meaning poor girl who gets some lucky breaks and ultimately winds up way over her head or the story of a conniving social climber who deliberately uses her immense charm to bypass normal channels and shoot straight to the top of Argentina's political power. I'm not sure if her dying young was supposed to be a senseless tragedy or karmic retribution.

2.) Even if Madonna's performance wasn't up to the challenge of forming a clear character, I'd still expect the director to do something with the material to make me understand why any of this matters. (It reminds me a bit of Oliver Stone's Alexander in terms of directionlessness.) Also, many times, the staging of the film doesn't carry over the same energy conveyed by the music. The film often looks static when the music is rocking.

I actually used to know an actor who was part of the stage show's touring company. He said that the movie is pretty much universally regarded as a joke amongst those who work on the stage show because the stage version is very much a dancing show and nearly all of the dancing was cut from the film.

All in all, I'd say the movie just makes me want to see the stage show to see Evita done properly.

What do you folks think?
 
My mum is a big Evita fan (saw the original when it first came out on stage) and she wasn't impressed with it and truth be known I'm not sure what benefit the bringing it to the big screen in the way they did offered.

Madonna was a non-entity but I agree than Banderos was very good as Che
 
I thought it was a great movie and one of Madonna's best performances. The character of Evita was a good intentioned poor girl who used her charm to rise to the top of Argentina's political power and finds herself in over her head; not because her charm left her, but because she was so sick.

Oh, what I'd give for a hundred years
But the physical interferes
everyday more.
Oh my Creator,
What is the good of the strongest heart
In a body that's falling apart?
A serious flaw,
I hope you know that
 
Ugh. I was forced to go see this in high school.

I never wished for a meteor to fall onto a building I was in more in my life.
 
I thought it was a great movie and one of Madonna's best performances. The character of Evita was a good intentioned poor girl who used her charm to rise to the top of Argentina's political power and finds herself in over her head; not because her charm left her, but because she was so sick.

Oh, what I'd give for a hundred years
But the physical interferes
everyday more.
Oh my Creator,
What is the good of the strongest heart
In a body that's falling apart?
A serious flaw,
I hope you know that

I think you need to do some reading on the real Eva Peron - you're falling for the Lloyd-Weber spin.
 
I thought it was a great movie and one of Madonna's best performances. The character of Evita was a good intentioned poor girl who used her charm to rise to the top of Argentina's political power and finds herself in over her head; not because her charm left her, but because she was so sick.

Oh, what I'd give for a hundred years
But the physical interferes
everyday more.
Oh my Creator,
What is the good of the strongest heart
In a body that's falling apart?
A serious flaw,
I hope you know that

I think you need to do some reading on the real Eva Peron - you're falling for the Lloyd-Weber spin.

Musicals are, by there nature, unrealistic. The real María Eva Duarte de Perón did not spend her entire life singing. There were no machine guns in Jerusalem during the time of Christ and no cat has ever been "the Napoleon of crime". Dead people don't narrate their life leading up to and past their death.

Should I go on? Or did I make my point?
 
I thought it was a great movie and one of Madonna's best performances. The character of Evita was a good intentioned poor girl who used her charm to rise to the top of Argentina's political power and finds herself in over her head; not because her charm left her, but because she was so sick.

I think you need to do some reading on the real Eva Peron - you're falling for the Lloyd-Weber spin.

Musicals are, by there nature, unrealistic. The real María Eva Duarte de Perón did not spend her entire life singing. There were no machine guns in Jerusalem during the time of Christ and no cat has ever been "the Napoleon of crime". Dead people don't narrate their life leading up to and past their death.

Should I go on? Or did I make my point?

no shit sherlock.

They do however allow a more glamorous portrayal of the likes of Eva Peron than the corrupt and power hungry woman she was.
 
I think you need to do some reading on the real Eva Peron - you're falling for the Lloyd-Weber spin.

Musicals are, by there nature, unrealistic. The real María Eva Duarte de Perón did not spend her entire life singing. There were no machine guns in Jerusalem during the time of Christ and no cat has ever been "the Napoleon of crime". Dead people don't narrate their life leading up to and past their death.

Should I go on? Or did I make my point?

no shit sherlock.

They do however allow a more glamorous portrayal of the likes of Eva Peron than the corrupt and power hungry woman she was.

So you understand that musicals are unrealistic. Good. For a moment there I thought your statement about me needing to learn about the real Evita meant that you didn't understand I was referring to the character as portrayed in the musical and not the real woman. Really it's a relief.
 
Musicals are, by there nature, unrealistic. The real María Eva Duarte de Perón did not spend her entire life singing. There were no machine guns in Jerusalem during the time of Christ and no cat has ever been "the Napoleon of crime". Dead people don't narrate their life leading up to and past their death.

Should I go on? Or did I make my point?

no shit sherlock.

They do however allow a more glamorous portrayal of the likes of Eva Peron than the corrupt and power hungry woman she was.

So you understand that musicals are unrealistic. Good. For a moment there I thought your statement about me needing to learn about the real Evita meant that you didn't understand I was referring to the character as portrayed in the musical and not the real woman. Really it's a relief.

Okay I will admit I thought you were talking about the real woman believing the way she was portray characterwise in the musical.
 
I think you need to do some reading on the real Eva Peron - you're falling for the Lloyd-Weber spin.

Musicals are, by there nature, unrealistic. The real María Eva Duarte de Perón did not spend her entire life singing. There were no machine guns in Jerusalem during the time of Christ and no cat has ever been "the Napoleon of crime". Dead people don't narrate their life leading up to and past their death.

Should I go on? Or did I make my point?

no shit sherlock.

They do however allow a more glamorous portrayal of the likes of Eva Peron than the corrupt and power hungry woman she was.

Actually, I have read several books about Eva Peron (most of which were written by Argentinians), and there IS ample room for dispute with regard to her true intentions. It is true that she was very ambitious and knew how to get what she wanted, but it is ALSO true that she did care about the lower-class people from which she came, and did represent them with Juan Peron. She also sponsored some reasonably decent programs to help the poor. Not all the money ended up where it was supposed to go (indeed, the musical even says as much ;) ), but since when does the money in ANY South American country always end up where it's supposed to go? One does have to consider the culture here and recognize that a certain amount of corruption is a way of life in MOST of the world's countries.

Bottom line - she was not a saint, but she was not all evil either, the way you make her sound.

Sounds to me that if Vanyel gave us the musical spin, you gave us the PC American propaganda spin. :lol:

As for the movie, I have seen it several times. I like all the ALW music, of course, and I really like Antonio Bandaras in this film - he was perfectly cast. I thought Madonna was decent - not fabulous, but not bad either. And she did look enough like Evita at the time to sorta make it work.
 
I love this movie. Granted I love musicals and I think Madonna is a good singer so I was bound to like it. Banderas is great as well and I love the visuals and look of the movie. I do wish though they hadn't tried making everything a song. I believe musicals work best when the songs are seperated by a few "normal" scenes ,I guess you could call them.

Jason
 
I've never seen the movie, though I did see the touring production at the Auditorium Building in Chicago a few years ago. The show didn't really stand out, but as an architecture buff I was in heaven.

The building was designed by Adler and Sullivan, with help from a young Frank Lloyd Wright, and when finished stood as the tallest buiding in Chicago and the largest building in the country. Grover Cleveland laid the cornerstone in 1887, and the RNC nominated Benjamin Harrison as their candidate in the still unfinished building in 1888 (he returned the next year to dedicate the buiding upon completion).

Teddy Roosevelt gave his Bull Moose speech there when he was nominated for President in 1912 by the National Progressive Party.

And in 2006, I saw a crappy production of Evita there. Sadly my presence is not nearly as well known as those I've mentioned. :lol:

<Sorry for the digression>

Sounds to me that if Vanyel gave us the musical spin, you gave us the PC American propaganda spin. :lol:

Why would Marc give an American take on it?
 
I surprisingly enjoyed the film when I saw it a decade or so ago. Not sure what my current review of it would be, but I don't plan to revisit it soon anyway.
 
I only just saw it last year as well & I enjoyed it, especially the music, & didnt think Mads was too bad. But Ive never seen the musical production so I can imagine it pales in comparisin to that...
 
I love it, more than the LuPone/Patinkin version, and that's saying something, as I LOVE both Patti LuPone and Mandy Patinkin with a passion bordering on obsession. I think part of the reason I enjoy the movie more is that I've really never been a fan of Andrew Lloyd Webber overall, but the movie made Evita something I wanted to watch and listen to. I didn't find Madonna nearly as terrible as so many people said she was in the role. I thought she brought a subtlety and grace to the role that did not come through at all in Patti LuPone's recording. (Frankly, I think Patti has grown tremendously as a performer and musical interpreter since the Evita cast album was recorded.)

It's hard for Antonio Banderas to be anything other than entertaining no matter what he does, but I really enjoyed his singing in the movie. He wouldn't win American Idol or anything, but he's a great singing actor. And you simply cannot say enough good things about Jonathan Pryce. The man is one of the columns modern theatre was built upon.

So, um, yeah. I like the movie. ;)
 
I thought Banderas was amazing and Madonna lame as always. However, I never did get her or her "talent." She has always struck me as an ugly, immature, attention-starved non-talent.
 
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