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Evidence of SNW being a possible alternate timeline from TOS

If you need a rationalization, maybe your memory would be a bit out of whack too if you were retrieved from a Transporter Buffer after 70+ years.:shrug:
Heck, they say right in "Relics" that Scotty's transporter pattern degraded a bit over the decades. That right there is enough to explain any memory lapses he's experiencing.

Well, if La'An dumps Spock, and Spock meets Leila while still recovering from two failed relationships, that could put the final piece into play.
The final piece of what? Proof that the SNW writers have no idea how to write Spock?
 
Well, if La'An dumps Spock, and Spock meets Leila while still recovering from two failed relationships, that could put the final piece into play.
I really thought this is where it would go after Spock felt burned by Chapel, that he would make himself more closed off by the time we meet Leila on SNW, but instead we see him repeat it with La'An. Now I wonder if SNW will even acknowledge Leila.
 
I expect it was the best that could have been done for a TV pilot made almost entirely before 1965. However, it's dodgy, especially by the standards that could be applied for the new VFX in TOS-R. For example, the perspective of the helm "facing forward" aligns poorly with the model's. That's one reason why I didn't mention the original VFX. That said, it's more than reasonable to conclude that the original intent was: facing forward.

The other reason I mentioned only the TOS-R VFX was because, when the new VFX were made, there was at least an opportunity to reevaluate the orientation of the bridge given everything canon and otherwise that had transpired in the interim, including licensed tie-in material as well as fanon efforts, all obviously unavailable when the original VFX were made. What consideration, if any, this material was given for the update of the shot in TOS-R, I don't know. Whatever the considerations were or weren't, the final verdict: (still) facing forward.
They probably entertained the thought, but ultimately decided to stick with the original error rather than suggest that the bridge is facing 12 o'clock rather than 2. Another alternative would be to redesign the bridge model by having the nub aligned correctly with where the turbo lift is. That probably wouldn't have bothered me, but it might have bothered a whole slew of fans who regard the 1701 ship as being sacred and perfect.
 
Thoughts: La'An will be recruited by the Temporal Service for a mission; she travels back in time and changes Earth history by having Khan born in the 1950's with The Eugenics Wars occurring in the 1990's. As a side result, La'An is also wiped from existence plus changing the timeline to as is seen at the start of TOS. :eek:
 
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Thoughts: La'An will be recruited by the Time Service for a mission; she travels back in time and changes Earth history by having Khan born in the 1950's with The Eugenics Wars occurring in the 1990's. As a side result, La'An is also wiped from existence plus changing the timeline to as is seen at the start of TOS. :eek:

so many theories lol
 
I already addressed that point. The characters discussed whether the events happened as depicted, and they agreed they did. I very much doubt Spock or Pike would have misremembered that the top of the bridge was a transparent dome, as shown in the images. :rolleyes: :lol:

As to whether there are shipboard cameras, there are, as established in "Court Martial". In "The Menagerie", it is also stated that cameras can record images aboard ship; the quality of what they seem to be watching on-screen during Spock's court martial is stated to be better than the quality of what the shipboard cameras can record. :techman:

So, it was not the Starfleet shipboard cameras that recorded the images. Therefore, the Talosians scanned the images that are presented on-wescreen in "The Menagerie". If they did it entirely out of what's in the minds of Pike's crew, then that's a bit more evidence in favor of the idea that the bridge really has the transparent dome on top, as depicted in the images recycled from "The Cage", because it would look the way that the crew thought it did.
Well, someone says that "no starship makes records in this detail."

"The Menagerie" is pretty much a continuity breaker from start to finish, anyway.
 
Thoughts: La'An will be recruited by the Temporal Service for a mission; she travels back in time and changes Earth history by having Khan born in the 1950's with The Eugenics Wars occurring in the 1990's. As a side result, La'An is also wiped from existence plus changing the timeline to as is seen at the start of TOS. :eek:
Umm…no.
 
Thoughts: La'An will be recruited by the Temporal Service for a mission; she travels back in time and changes Earth history by having Khan born in the 1950's with The Eugenics Wars occurring in the 1990's. As a side result, La'An is also wiped from existence plus changing the timeline to as is seen at the start of TOS. :eek:
I Khan't believe they'd...

Nevermind, nevermind.
 
WoK very strongly implied that Spock and Kirk already knew each other when Kirk took the Kobayashi Maru. The Kelvin films took this to the extreme by literally having Spock administer the Maru to Kirk. In SNW, Kirk's already a first officer and presumably took the Maru years ago, yet only met Spock recently and there's no indication that Spock and Kirk knew each other before.
 
Yeah, I just took it that at some point in their friendship Kirk had mentioned to Spock, and I paraphrase, "hey, I reprogrammed the simulation computer in the Kobayashi Maru and got actually awarded for being such a creative little cheat." In the Prime Timeline Kirk and Spock never knew one another at the Academy.
 
Yeah, I just took it that at some point in their friendship Kirk had mentioned to Spock, and I paraphrase, "hey, I reprogrammed the simulation computer in the Kobayashi Maru and got actually awarded for being such a creative little cheat." In the Prime Timeline Kirk and Spock never knew one another at the Academy.
Harve Bennett's intention was that they did and he was going to do Starfleet Academy based on that, but it never got off the ground. And maybe for the best seeing as how the actual Starfleet Academy show we got did
 
Yeah, I just took it that at some point in their friendship Kirk had mentioned to Spock, and I paraphrase, "hey, I reprogrammed the simulation computer in the Kobayashi Maru and got actually awarded for being such a creative little cheat." In the Prime Timeline Kirk and Spock never knew one another at the Academy.
Yeah, never got that sense from TWOK.


And maybe for the best seeing as how the actual Starfleet Academy show we got did
One has little to do with the other and neither could predict how a show in the 90s would be produced.
 
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