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Eugenics and Unnatural Selection

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Please correct me if I am wrong, but eugenics are a big no no in the Federation, right? Like, after the Eugenics Wars, genetically enhanced humans were no longer allowed to be created.

How does that mesh with the genetically enhanced "children" in Unnatural Selection?
 
Or, on the exact opposite note, there is nothing wrong with the government dabbling in genetic improvement. Only private practitioners of the art fry for it.

If it is under government control, fine. And Darwin would be very much under such control - by dialogue, the place was completely over the counter, receiving regular Starfleet visits and being listed on Starfleet records.

This would be little different from government labs doing research on narcotics or biological warfare for purposes of making it not happen in the wider world...

Timo Saloniemi
 
The way those poor children aging was rapidly advanced they probably did not survive a solar year
 
Please correct me if I am wrong, but eugenics are a big no no in the Federation, right? Like, after the Eugenics Wars, genetically enhanced humans were no longer allowed to be created.

How does that mesh with the genetically enhanced "children" in Unnatural Selection?
Because the anti-Eugenics stuff wasn't a thing until DS9.

Kor
 
The planet in Unnatural Selection might not have been a part of the Federation, so the Federation's rules wouldn't apply.

Could be, could be.

Or if they were, they could have been deliberately concealing their work so the Federation wouldn't find out what was really happening there.

Indeed, perhaps that's the reason the Lantree was dispatched there - to investigate?

Edit: I just checked the DS9 episode. Admiral Bennett does mention Khan as the reason why genetic engineering is illegal in the Federation, but he doesn't say exactly WHEN it was banned. It could have been that there was debate festering for years over what to do, but it wasn't until TNG that the ban was finally enacted.

Meaning, "Unnatural Selection" could, for all we know, have been the final tipping point that forced the Federation to face just how dangerous this sort of thing could be, and thus after word got out about Darwin station, THAT's when the ban finally took hold.
 
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Something being illegal doesn't mean the government wouldn't do it. They just want a monopoly on it. Say, handcuffing people and throwing them in locked rooms. Or taking their money by force, or killing them. So they write laws establishing this monopoly.

The ability to create supermen would certainly be among such things. It's a matter of superior power at its purest, and the government wants that power, not just for the thing itself, but for maintaining control over who gets it.

Nothing about Darwin was secret, it seems. Captain Telaka doesn't mention the Darwin experiments, but would the connection to their plight be obvious? The port of call is listed on the logs, not quoted as confidential or anything. Neither Riker nor Picard expresses unfamiliarity with this station. And Picard then proceeds to say how "the mere thought of a possible connection between the Lantree tragedy and a genetic research facility fills me with profound apprehension".

Not "the mere thought of a genetic research facility fills me with profound apprehension"...

Doctor Kingsley in turn thinks the following words are reassuring: "Our research here is limited to human genetics."

There is ultimately also this exchange, as the two doctors ogle the children at play.

Pulaski: "Genetically engineered?"
Kingsley: "Not engineered, created."

Now Kingsley has the Mad Scientist Glee down pat there. But Pulaski isn't expressing Morbid Curiosity or Barely Hidden Disgust, just plain old Color Me Impressed.

Is the "factum, non genitum" response something Kingsley is legally required to insert at this juncture, though? Is it philosophically important to deny the engineering aspect? Is there something practically different here from the case of young Julian Bashir?

Timo Saloniemi
 
Earth Law vs. Federation Law.

Denobulans are fine with Genetic Engneering.

Colonel Green was trying to "normalize" the human genepool by euthanizing anyone who was too radioactive... It's not too far to think that normalizing the genome would also include euthanizing and sterilizing Supermen, if enough of them proved to be too mentally and physically unstable to be allowed to pass on their abnormal DNA to their children and grandchildren.
 
Or when the episode was written they hadn’t come up with that eugenics rule in the show yet.

Kind of like when there were season 1 episodes visiting non warp cultures.
 
Also, kind of not. After all, Kirk never had any problem visiting non-warp cultures.

If Starfleet came up with some rule about that later on, it apparently was after early TNG, is all.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Colonel Green was trying to "normalize" the human genepool by euthanizing anyone who was too radioactive.

Speaking of which, I'd love to see an episode where we find out Green wasn't evil, but accepted it would be his role in history to be called such, if the alternative is the slow and painful extinction of the human race.
 
I may remember this wrong, but Julian Bashir's parents had to take him to a non-federation planet to get his augmentation and then hide it for all of his life due to the law. He was definitely born before the events of Unnatural Selection, since he graduated in 2368 from Starfleet Medical.

So the law had to have been in place during the events of Unnatural Selection.
 
Something occured to me. Maybe a reason why the Denobulans are never mentioned in the 24th century Federation is because they were never members, just allies. Like the Klingons. Maybe Denobulans were not allowed to join because of their nonchalant use of genetic engineering.
 
Speaking of which, I'd love to see an episode where we find out Green wasn't evil, but accepted it would be his role in history to be called such, if the alternative is the slow and painful extinction of the human race.

We actually saw Green in the ENT Terra Prime arc. He definitely seemed evil to me.
 
Oh right, I forgot about the archival footage. My theory only works if we only have second hand info and evil memory based duplicates to rely on.
 
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