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Eric Stoltz made me understand the tragedy of the ending of Back to the Future and the inhumanity of the American Dream

I had no idea that the wrecked car was a 70's Nova. That was OUR car! Family of five. By the time of BTTF a very TALL family of five. (Something I try to impress on my 6 foot tall son when he insists on sitting in the front seat. ONE of us tall kids had to sit in the back.)

Indeed I sort of see the house interior and decor of more a reflection of Lorraine and George's state of mind and self esteem.
Definitely something you see as an adult that you might miss as a teenager.
 
I had no idea that the wrecked car was a 70's Nova. That was OUR car! Family of five. By the time of BTTF a very TALL family of five. (Something I try to impress on my 6 foot tall son when he insists on sitting in the front seat. ONE of us tall kids had to sit in the back.)
I will see your Chevy Nova, and raise you a Mini Cooper. Three, sometimes four of us crammed into that leaky rust magnet!
 
As an aside, it's clear that in the original timeline Marty isn't the best student. The new timeline's Marty was supposed to be better in this regard. Now, can the old "Marty" put aside a life of indolence and catch up with this version, thanks to the power of a new truck and two siblings with steady jobs?
 
It just occurred to me that another easy refutation of the idea that the first movie's finale was all about material gain is explicitly pointed out and underlined with big red marker pen the the second movie.
After all, had the point of Marty's hero's journey in the first movie been to improve his family's financial situation, then he would have done something (knowingly or otherwise) to see to that. Like say for example telling George to invest in Apple Inc. in the 70's, or if instead of going back with a clock tower flyer, he had a newspaper that along with an article about the historical lightning storm, featured that week's winning lottery numbers.

Indeed, the whole plot of the second movie focuses on Biff doing exactly this kind of thing, right after Marty attempts it but is chastised by Doc. He literally says "I didn't invent The Time Machine for financial gain!" Then of course we see the result, and while Lorraine and indeed the whole family (sans George, obviously) is certainly doing *much* better in purely financial terms, they're all miserable.

Again, I don't see this as the second movie "fixing" a problem with the first, just highlighting was was already there for those that weren't paying attention the first time around!

As an aside, it's clear that in the original timeline Marty isn't the best student. The new timeline's Marty was supposed to be better in this regard. Now, can the old "Marty" put aside a life of indolence and catch up with this version, thanks to the power of a new truck and two siblings with steady jobs?
I don't recall any indication that Marty is doing poorly in his grades per see; just that he has a habit of showing up late, let alone any reason to think "Lone Pine Mall" Marty was doing any better than original "Twins Pine Mall" Marty. Indeed I always assumed half the reason Marty hangs around with Doc is because he's tutoring him, as evidenced by the science journals in Marty's bedroom.

I do sometimes wonder about the alternate Marty and what happened to him; did he run over both of Peabody's pines and later returned to a confusingly named "No Pines Mall"?
The car that Biff destroyed in the original timeline
1976 Chevrolet Nova
While of course I always knew Biffs claims of a "blind spot" were obvious BS for his own negligence (spilling the beer was a bit of a giveaway after all), but looking at the damage I'm just now appreciating the full breadth and utter gall of his bold faced lies. Just from the way the bonnet is bent up it's patently obviously that he's gone and rear-ended someone. How can any car possibly have a blind spot directly in front of it?!
 
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^If they'd wanted to be self-referential that early in the game, he would have rear-ended a manure truck.
 
There are people who say that a film like Back to the Future couldn't be made today, because societies between 2025 and 1995 aren't as different as they were between 1985 and 1955. (In between, there were things like Vietnam and the Sexual Revolution.)

Actually, apart from the Internet, I don't remember 1995 being that fundamentally different. Marty, on the other hand, looked like he had landed on Mars.

What do you think?

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I remember when Doc wouldn't believe Marty when he told him that Ronald Reagan (an actor!!!) had become President. I don't think you'd have the same reaction in 1995: "Donald Trump President? Uh, okay?".
 
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I think a good part of people here knows the story behind the first casting of the protagonist of "Back to the Future". Michael J. Fox was not available and Eric Stoltz was chosen. But his type of acting was not suitable for what was a comedy, he was fired and MJF who had become available was called. The rest is history.

But recently I saw an interview with Lea Thompson (who plays Marty McFly's mother, Lorraine Baines).

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Here she tells an interesting anecdote. After the first reading of the script with the actors they are all enthusiastic, the story is great everyone laughs etc etc. Then they ask Eric what he thinks and he says it is a tragedy. Because at the end of the film Marty remembers a past and a family that no longer exists. His new family are strangers who have lived a totally different life. And this new family has lost a son, because at home they have a stranger who coincidentally has the same name.

And I add, the movie tells us that all this is perfectly okay why? Because now Marty has a nicer house, he has a new car, he has so many things. Marty has lost his whole life but in exchange he has so many new material goods. And this is the essence of the American Dream, as long as you have things (goods, money, power, fame), everything else (love, family, beliefs) can be sacrificed.

(I think that even Crispin Glover - who played Marty's dad, was very critical about the movie message: money and financial success = happiness)

I thought this too but gloss over it for the happy ending, but I did wonder where was their Marty in all the years in between when Marty travels back to the future. Where did their Marty go? Was he still there to experience this changed whole life? Lorraine had to give birth to him didn't she so yeah maybe it's also best not to think too much about that.

CLASS OF 1984, actually.

I watched that movie once a couple of years ago and holy hell seeing MJF play a ruthless psycho... Horrible film
 
I thought this too but gloss over it for the happy ending, but I did wonder where was their Marty in all the years in between when Marty travels back to the future. Where did their Marty go? Was he still there to experience this changed whole life? Lorraine had to give birth to him didn't she so yeah maybe it's also best not to think too much about that.
It was deleted from the timeline, so that a slacker could take its place.
 
I watched that movie once a couple of years ago and holy hell seeing MJF play a ruthless psycho... Horrible film
MJF didn't play the ruthless psycho; IIRC he plays a guy who at one point gets high, climbs a flagpole and then falls off it. I think he ends up hospitalized for the rest of the film.

You're thinking of Timothy Van Patten.

 
There are people who say that a film like Back to the Future couldn't be made today, because societies between 2025 and 1995 aren't as different as they were between 1985 and 1955. (In between, there were things like Vietnam and the Sexual Revolution.)

Actually, apart from the Internet, I don't remember 1995 being that fundamentally different. Marty, on the other hand, looked like he had landed on Mars.

What do you think?

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I remember when Doc wouldn't believe Marty when he told him that Ronald Reagan (an actor!!!) had become President. I don't think you'd have the same reaction in 1995: "Donald Trump President? Uh, okay?".
When they made the one off Goodnight Sweetheart special 17 years on, when Gary arrived in 2016 the big thing was mobile phones, I know they were around in 99 but people with their heads down on their phones wasn't.

But nearly 10 years on i don't think 2026 would look that different to 2016
 
Oh my gosh, I think I remember that. It's where a kid gets the bionic implants as well, but they're too powerful or something? No wonder he became a psychopath. :p
 
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