Erasing past continuity

[Cyke101]

Is there anyone else who reckons that doing away with such past events as the Dalek invasion in The Stolen Earth/Journey's End, and the Cybermen in Victorian London in The Next Doctor, is a bad move?

im sorry but this is something ive never understood, when were those events wiped from the time line?

In "Victory of the Daleks," Amy had no memory of the Daleks, or of the 26 planets in the sky. In "Flesh and Stone," when the Doctor learned the crack completely erased whatever it touched from the past, he theorized that this, as well as the fact that no one ever remembered the events of "The Next Doctor" (which he commented on in that episode!) were a result of the cracks. He never proved it, though, and even if it did, the cracks could've erased anything to alter those events. A crack could've eaten the Lost Moon of Poosh, and the balance of the Reality Bomb was different so Davros couldn't use Earth as part of the amplifier any more. A crack could've swallowed the hulk of the Cyberking out of the Time Vortex and that's why no one wrote anything down about the giant robot.

It's folly to assume the only possible way Earth's part in "Journey's End" could've unhappened was if Davros and the Daleks didn't exist at all.

So... could that mean that the crack was formed by three inverse tachyon beams fired from three different ships in three different time periods?

 

[Jimmy_C]

Is there anyone else who reckons that doing away with such past events as the Dalek invasion in The Stolen Earth/Journey's End, and the Cybermen in Victorian London in The Next Doctor, is a bad move?

im sorry but this is something ive never understood, when were those events wiped from the time line?

In "Victory of the Daleks," Amy had no memory of the Daleks, or of the 26 planets in the sky. In "Flesh and Stone," when the Doctor learned the crack completely erased whatever it touched from the past, he theorized that this, as well as the fact that no one ever remembered the events of "The Next Doctor" (which he commented on in that episode!) were a result of the cracks. He never proved it, though, and even if it did, the cracks could've erased anything to alter those events. A crack could've eaten the Lost Moon of Poosh, and the balance of the Reality Bomb was different so Davros couldn't use Earth as part of the amplifier any more. A crack could've swallowed the hulk of the Cyberking out of the Time Vortex and that's why no one wrote anything down about the giant robot.

It's folly to assume the only possible way Earth's part in "Journey's End" could've unhappened was if Davros and the Daleks didn't exist at all.

Even if the cracks erased Davros, it didn't affect the Daleks in that episode or the Doctor himself! Of course it wouldn't, cuz they are time-travelers. (Though there are exceptions apparently.) So The Cybermen & the Daleks are still affected by the invasion, but the rest of the Universe seems to not have been affected. Interesting result. Still canon yet also a clean slate.

 

[Brent]

We don'tknow how it is all going to end, maybe everything will all come back, sheesh, lets at least let the season end before we start condemning what is happening this season, we don't know the result yet

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

im sorry but this is something ive never understood, when were those events wiped from the time line?

In "Victory of the Daleks," Amy had no memory of the Daleks, or of the 26 planets in the sky. In "Flesh and Stone," when the Doctor learned the crack completely erased whatever it touched from the past, he theorized that this, as well as the fact that no one ever remembered the events of "The Next Doctor" (which he commented on in that episode!) were a result of the cracks. He never proved it, though, and even if it did, the cracks could've erased anything to alter those events. A crack could've eaten the Lost Moon of Poosh, and the balance of the Reality Bomb was different so Davros couldn't use Earth as part of the amplifier any more. A crack could've swallowed the hulk of the Cyberking out of the Time Vortex and that's why no one wrote anything down about the giant robot.

It's folly to assume the only possible way Earth's part in "Journey's End" could've unhappened was if Davros and the Daleks didn't exist at all.

So... could that mean that the crack was formed by three inverse tachyon beams fired from three different ships in three different time periods?

Ok, now I'm worried that you are onto something here.

 

[Winterwind]

In "Victory of the Daleks," Amy had no memory of the Daleks, or of the 26 planets in the sky. In "Flesh and Stone," when the Doctor learned the crack completely erased whatever it touched from the past, he theorized that this, as well as the fact that no one ever remembered the events of "The Next Doctor" (which he commented on in that episode!) were a result of the cracks. He never proved it, though, and even if it did, the cracks could've erased anything to alter those events. A crack could've eaten the Lost Moon of Poosh, and the balance of the Reality Bomb was different so Davros couldn't use Earth as part of the amplifier any more. A crack could've swallowed the hulk of the Cyberking out of the Time Vortex and that's why no one wrote anything down about the giant robot.

It's folly to assume the only possible way Earth's part in "Journey's End" could've unhappened was if Davros and the Daleks didn't exist at all.

So... could that mean that the crack was formed by three inverse tachyon beams fired from three different ships in three different time periods?

Ok, now I'm worried that you are onto something here.

That's been my theory the entire time. I just didn't want to say it.

 

[Starkers]

The thing I find most hilarious about the Crack so far, is that I've seen at least one poster try and take two opposing views on it. On the one hand they whined about all of RTD's magnificence (if you could call the Cyberking that) being erased, then completely turned about face and whined about how they "knew" that the crack wouldn't happen in the end so everything it had erased would somehow return to life

I think what it proves is that for some posters whining is the default position, no matter what we're discussing!

 

[Nerys Myk]

Sometime the ducks don't always get in a row. Having to chase them around the yard is more fun.

 

[Count Zero]

Hey, the Cyberking was great. The story was only half good, but so far all the Cybermen stories I've seen had their problems.

 

[Chaos Descending]

What Cyberking?

 

[Admiral_Young]

I've been in this forum and participating since the series returned in 2005 and I'm almost certain that no other series has been criticized and had more wide spread speculation and panic than this series. I don't know if it is because people still seem to have a love/hate relationship with Matt Smith and that everything is new along with the fact that the overarching plot device is a mystery that keeps giving us more questions than answers? I've always been of the mind to wait and see and don't understand all of this panicking regarding past continuity.

 

[Demonland]

I think the Doctor could be in the crack already and his universe is false and the crack is the walls falling down on this universe. I wonder if the Doctor could be jumping inbetween our universe and a fake one so two parts of time and space colliding like the Doc said in 1st episode.

I've been saying this all series. Blue Bow Tie/Red Bow Tie. Two parts of time and space colliding.

 

[Stevil2001]

"I read, now and then, ideas about rebooting Doctor Who, but why on Earth would you want to? This is the epic that just gets bigger. One of the glories of Doctor Who is that the whole thing, over all those decades, is one big story."
-- Steven Moffat, Doctor Who Magazine, 28 April 2010

 

[Shazam!]

"I read, now and then, ideas about rebooting Doctor Who, but why on Earth would you want to? This is the epic that just gets bigger. One of the glories of Doctor Who is that the whole thing, over all those decades, is one big story."
-- Steven Moffat, Doctor Who Magazine, 28 April 2010

*Taz sigh* If only someone had realised that about Star Trek.

 

[Nerys Myk]

"I read, now and then, ideas about rebooting Doctor Who, but why on Earth would you want to? This is the epic that just gets bigger. One of the glories of Doctor Who is that the whole thing, over all those decades, is one big story."
-- Steven Moffat, Doctor Who Magazine, 28 April 2010

*Taz sigh* If only someone had realised that about Star Trek.

Because it's not?

 

[BenRoethig]

I posted this question in the Cold Blood thread but didn't get a response. It seems more fitting for this thread, so I'll repost it, and hopefully I'll have better luck:

Is it really a retcon if the story not only acknowledges the change, but also makes it the core of the mystery and the story arc? I always thought retcons were done in ways to try and reduce as much attention to the discrepancy as possible. But if a story addresses and focuses on the discrepancy, then is it REALLY an erasure?

In my view, its not a retcon if acknowledged or in this case might not be even permanent. Its an element of the story arc and will probably resolved in episode 13.

 

[wamdue]

I think the Doctor could be in the crack already and his universe is false and the crack is the walls falling down on this universe. I wonder if the Doctor could be jumping inbetween our universe and a fake one so two parts of time and space colliding like the Doc said in 1st episode.

I've been saying this all series. Blue Bow Tie/Red Bow Tie. Two parts of time and space colliding.

speculative on my part, what if each Doctor has a differnt Amy, 1 Amy being the Amy who the Doctor didnt come back for as a child, the other being the Amy the Doctor did come back for.

 

[bryce]

Sometime the ducks don't always get in a row. Having to chase them around the yard is more fun.

And sometimes...the ducks aren't even there!

Spoiler: ducks

("But how do you know if it's a duck pond, if there aren't any ducks?")

 

[Brent]

My theory, they are all in a holodeck

 

[Jimmy_C]

What Cyberking?

Exactly! That's the point! ;-)

 

[EJA]

The thing is though, doesn't Journey's End imply that Dalek Caan played a big part in manipulating things up to that point, including the Doctor meeting Donna? So if Dalek Caan was erased by the Crack....how could any of it have happened? We saw in Turn Left how if the Doctor never met Donna, he would've died stopping the Racnoss. This is why I'm so opposed to the idea: It undoes far too much and throws everything into total confusion. Maybe things will get put right by the end of this season, but I'm not going to get my hopes up too much.