"Equinox" was 'Da Bomb'!

[Mrs Paris]

Overall I liked it but I wouldn't call it great and certainly not in the pantheon of excellent Trek or even Voyager.

I thought that the behavior of Janeway was forced and I didn't buy it.

I agree with what Ron Moore said about it

The things that Janeway does in ‘Equinox’ don’t work, because it’s not about anything. She’s not really grappling with her inner demons. She’s not truly under the gun and suffering to the point where you can understand the decisions that she’s made. She just gets kind of cranky and bitchy. She’s having a bad day; these things keep popping around on the bridge, and we just keep cutting to shots of people grabbing phaser rifles and shooting, and hitting the red alert sign, over and over again. It doesn’t signify anything. It’s kind of emblematic of the show. There is a lot of potential, and there is a lot of surface sizzle going on in a lot of episodes, but to what end? What are we trying to do? What are we trying to touch in the audience? What are we trying to say? What are the things we are trying to explore? Why are we doing this episode? That was my fundamental question. When I would say, ‘What was the point of doing the first part?’ there was never a good answer for that. As a consequence, it was hard to come up with the ending to the show that has no beginning. You just start throwing things around. ‘Two captains on different courses’ at least sounds like an episode. At least there is something in it. Janeway will take something away from that experience, but not in the current version. What does she learn from that experience? I don’t know how it’s affected her. Chakotay, for all his trouble, he just goes back to work. There is no lingering problem with Janeway; there is no deeper issue coming to the fore."

I think that Ron Moore is full of crap. He seems to think that he's the greatest thing to hit science-fiction because of DS9 and BSG. Which I only hope is not true, considering I find those two shows to be vastly overrated.

"Equinox" is one of my favorite two-part Trek episodes. I think that Voyager's encounter with the Equinox changed Janeway in a way that Moore had obviously failed to see. It finally led her into becoming the balanced Starfleet commander that she needed to be for a ship in Voyager's situation in the Delta Quadrant. Instead of being the by-the-book captain of the first two seasons or the captain more willing to be Maquis and sometimes abandoning reason or good sense, Janeway became a captain who learned to utilize and balance all aspects of what she had been before the encounter with the Equinox.

BSG is a FANTASTIC show!

 

[JanineSal]

It's okay, but I think it is overrated.

 

[exodus]

It's okay, but I think it is overrated.

So do I.

 

[Mrs Paris]

It's okay, but I think it is overrated.

So do I.

and I used to like you

 

[exodus]

It's okay, but I think it is overrated.

So do I.

and I used to like you

Honestly, I grew up on the original and I have a hard time adjusting to this new one. It just doesn't feel right to me. It's sooooo serious.

 

[kimc]

Honestly, I grew up on the original and I have a hard time adjusting to this new one. It just doesn't feel right to me. It's sooooo serious.

I loved the original too. (like every other girl my age I had a crush on Dirk Benedict) but I'm enjoying the new one for what it is. So have a glass of wine and watch some already!

Not that this has anything to do with Equinox but I'm posting drunk tonight. Tra la la...

 

[Anwar]

Meh, at least you're still able to spell.

 

[Mrs Paris]

Not that this has anything to do with Equinox but I'm posting drunk tonight. Tra la la...

ahh posting drunk......some of the most interesting discussions I've had with people have been when they were posting drunk

 

[exodus]

Honestly, I grew up on the original and I have a hard time adjusting to this new one. It just doesn't feel right to me. It's sooooo serious.

I loved the original too. (like every other girl my age I had a crush on Dirk Benedict) but I'm enjoying the new one for what it is. So have a glass of wine and watch some already!

Not that this has anything to do with Equinox but I'm posting drunk tonight. Tra la la...

Girl, if I'm drunk that usually means I'm having too much fun to post anywhere.

 

[Mrs Paris]

Honestly, I grew up on the original and I have a hard time adjusting to this new one. It just doesn't feel right to me. It's sooooo serious.

I loved the original too. (like every other girl my age I had a crush on Dirk Benedict) but I'm enjoying the new one for what it is. So have a glass of wine and watch some already!

Not that this has anything to do with Equinox but I'm posting drunk tonight. Tra la la...

Girl, if I'm drunk that usually means I'm having too much fun to post anywhere.

hehehe

would you believe I've never ever been drunk!!!

 

[exodus]

I loved the original too. (like every other girl my age I had a crush on Dirk Benedict) but I'm enjoying the new one for what it is. So have a glass of wine and watch some already!

Not that this has anything to do with Equinox but I'm posting drunk tonight. Tra la la...

Girl, if I'm drunk that usually means I'm having too much fun to post anywhere.

hehehe

would you believe I've never ever been drunk!!!

Say whaaaat!?!

I'm sorry, I can't talk to you anymore. I only associate with the cool people.

BEGONE!

j/k

 

[Blueicus]

Actually, there have been many occasions where Janeway acted along a similar vein as she did in Equinox... although she didn't exactly threaten people with death as an interrogation tactic she did do things with a similar single-mindedness and ruthlessness.

Tuvix
Her single-minded attempt to heal the creature in The Cloud
Her willingness to ram the dreadnought torpedo
Future's End
Scorpion
The Omega Directive
Year of Hell
Prey, she's willing to sacrifice the ship for the injured 8472
Night
Scientific Method
Nothing Human
Dark Frontier

Although some people make our her inconsistency regarding her willingness to sacrifice her ship to a cause compared to tossing aside various ethical issues to save a member of the crew I think it's strangely consistent in its own way... clearly she has no qualms with sending the whole ship to oblivion (along with herself) to do something good or to punish the bad guys but in situations where only a friend or important colleague is threatened she is more than willing to bend the rules on their behalf. I mean, she certainly has some guilt related suicidal tendencies going on here and when her life isn't threatened directly or when she can't sacrifice herself to help somebody she acts differently.

 

[exodus]

Actually, there have been many occasions where Janeway acted along a similar vein as she did in Equinox... although she didn't exactly threaten people with death as an interrogation tactic she did do things with a similar single-mindedness and ruthlessness.

Tuvix
Her single-minded attempt to heal the creature in The Cloud
Her willingness to ram the dreadnought torpedo
Future's End
Scorpion
The Omega Directive
Year of Hell
Prey, she's willing to sacrifice the ship for the injured 8472
Night
Scientific Method
Nothing Human
Dark Frontier

Although some people make our her inconsistency regarding her willingness to sacrifice her ship to a cause compared to tossing aside various ethical issues to save a member of the crew I think it's strangely consistent in its own way... clearly she has no qualms with sending the whole ship to oblivion (along with herself) to do something good or to punish the bad guys but in situations where only a friend or important colleague is threatened she is more than willing to bend the rules on their behalf. I mean, she certainly has some guilt related suicidal tendencies going on here and when her life isn't threatened directly or when she can't sacrifice herself to help somebody she acts differently.

Great points, I agree.

I mean, Isn't it Starfleets way to die in the line of duty to save the innocent?
It's also their way to save a life that's thrown away needlessly.

Janeway is right because it is a oath everybody that went to the Academy took. Every member of that crew(besides Neelix, Kes, & Seven) are sworn to it.(Niomi's choice falls under that of her mother)

 

[Mrs Paris]

Actually, there have been many occasions where Janeway acted along a similar vein as she did in Equinox... although she didn't exactly threaten people with death as an interrogation tactic she did do things with a similar single-mindedness and ruthlessness.

Tuvix
Her single-minded attempt to heal the creature in The Cloud
Her willingness to ram the dreadnought torpedo
Future's End
Scorpion
The Omega Directive
Year of Hell
Prey, she's willing to sacrifice the ship for the injured 8472
Night
Scientific Method
Nothing Human
Dark Frontier

Although some people make our her inconsistency regarding her willingness to sacrifice her ship to a cause compared to tossing aside various ethical issues to save a member of the crew I think it's strangely consistent in its own way... clearly she has no qualms with sending the whole ship to oblivion (along with herself) to do something good or to punish the bad guys but in situations where only a friend or important colleague is threatened she is more than willing to bend the rules on their behalf. I mean, she certainly has some guilt related suicidal tendencies going on here and when her life isn't threatened directly or when she can't sacrifice herself to help somebody she acts differently.

Great points, I agree.

I mean, Isn't it Starfleets way to die in the line of duty to save the innocent?
It's also their way to save a life that's thrown away needlessly.

Janeway is right because it is a oath everybody that went to the Academy took. Every member of that crew(besides Neelix, Kes, & Seven) are sworn to it.(Niomi's choice falls under that of her mother)

interesting choice of words......considering that there is a good portion of the crew that either didn't go to the acadmemy or didn't finish it

 

[exodus]

Actually, there have been many occasions where Janeway acted along a similar vein as she did in Equinox... although she didn't exactly threaten people with death as an interrogation tactic she did do things with a similar single-mindedness and ruthlessness.

Tuvix
Her single-minded attempt to heal the creature in The Cloud
Her willingness to ram the dreadnought torpedo
Future's End
Scorpion
The Omega Directive
Year of Hell
Prey, she's willing to sacrifice the ship for the injured 8472
Night
Scientific Method
Nothing Human
Dark Frontier

Although some people make our her inconsistency regarding her willingness to sacrifice her ship to a cause compared to tossing aside various ethical issues to save a member of the crew I think it's strangely consistent in its own way... clearly she has no qualms with sending the whole ship to oblivion (along with herself) to do something good or to punish the bad guys but in situations where only a friend or important colleague is threatened she is more than willing to bend the rules on their behalf. I mean, she certainly has some guilt related suicidal tendencies going on here and when her life isn't threatened directly or when she can't sacrifice herself to help somebody she acts differently.

Great points, I agree.

I mean, Isn't it Starfleets way to die in the line of duty to save the innocent?
It's also their way to save a life that's thrown away needlessly.

Janeway is right because it is a oath everybody that went to the Academy took. Every member of that crew(besides Neelix, Kes, & Seven) are sworn to it.(Niomi's choice falls under that of her mother)

interesting choice of words......considering that there is a good portion of the crew that either didn't go to the acadmemy or didn't finish it

I would assume it's the first oath you take when putting on that uniform, even in field commission. B'Elanna, Chakotay & Paris took it officially. The Maquis still fall in line under them, with Chakotay their leader still second in command.

That's why all Captain/Commanders hold the symbol behind it so seriously. Remember that ep. of TNG were Troi had to learn how to accept sending a man to his death because that part of the job when wearing the uniform. The lower ranking officers have to accept it as part of obeying the chain of command. Starfleet operates like the Navy.

Besides, the few that rebel couldn't hold control of the ship the whole 75 thousand light years. Janeway, Tuvok & Paris have all out smarted Chakotay at one point.

 

[Mirror_Barclay]

Were there problems with the episode, and with characterization? Sure. Voyager was always a flawed show. But it was still a good show, and these were some of the better episodes.

Janeway was annoying and unrealistic when she was letting someone blow her ship to smithereens without doing anything other than hailing them. I like seeing go-to-any-lengths Janeway. After all, Voyager was in an extreme situation; no wonder extreme measures seemed necessary so often.

After helping ru(i)n S3 Roswell, I'm not sure where Moore thinks he's earned the right to question anyone else's characterization, writing or taste. BSG doesn't remotely make up for that travesty.