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Episode of the Week : The Way to Eden

Rate "The Way to Eden"

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    Votes: 3 9.4%
  • 2

    Votes: 4 12.5%
  • 3

    Votes: 5 15.6%
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    Votes: 4 12.5%
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    Votes: 4 12.5%
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    Votes: 6 18.8%
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    Votes: 2 6.3%
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    Votes: 1 3.1%
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    Votes: 2 6.3%
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    Votes: 1 3.1%

  • Total voters
    32
  • Poll closed .
This episode will never be in my top ten list of original series favorites, but as others have said it is not nearly as bad as its reputation and has a lot of things going for it.
Number one - Chekov gets one of his most most substantial and character developing roles.
Number two - Skip Homeier's performance in this episode is absolutely brilliant. He maintains a demeanor of contemptuous stoicism throughout. But in the scene with Spock where he has the conversation while in the brig, he lets his stoicism slip to just the right degree to reveal real bitterness and longing. And later, when one of his underlings tells him they are within range of Eden, his face breaks out into a beautific smile.
Number three - One subtle aspect of the episode is that it acts as an expose of the real-life hippies, how so many of them gave lip service to peace and love and brotherhood but who at the same time had no problem with hurting and killing innocent people to achieve their goals.
Number four - It also was interesting to see that there were groups of malcontents within the supposedly utopian society of the 23rd century Earth and Federation. This was a radical notion to introduce into TOS at the time.
Number five - And it was also a nice subtle touch that Spock, of all people, was the one who best understood the Eden movement . . . "They regard themselves as aliens in their own world, a condition I am somewhat familiar with."
 
I gave it a five, for Skip Homeier, Charles Napier, and that wonderful scene where Spock rocks out with the hippies. Bonus points for making Kirk look like Joe Friday.
 
Basically the same episode as "And the Children Shall Lead," with different undercurrents and subtext. The hippies are quite annoying but interestingly, this one has grown on me and I don't dislike it nearly as much as I used to. I'd give it a 5, maybe even a 6.
 
I gave it a four. The good points:

- The songs, which seem catchy because I've been hearing them since childhood.

- The invented culture, which despite being faux-hippie still represents some sci-fi world building. There would be a counter-culture in the Federation. Somebody is always whining no matter what society gives them.

- A small encore for cutie Phyllis Douglas from "The Galileo Seven."

- A nice cameo for the shuttlecraft mock-up.

Bad points include:

- The songs, which have no business seeming so catchy, and become embarrassing if an outsider hears them. Look out for Ceiling Cat before singing along.

- The invented culture, which... come on. Faux hippies. I'll say this for Lost in Space: they handled their condemnation of the snotty counter-culture (S3 "Collision of Planets" and "The Promised Planet") with confident moral certitude rather than mush-mouthed sympathizing. You may not agree, but at least LIS took a position and said something.

- Phyllis Douglas' role is too small. Such a cutie.
 
Number three - One subtle aspect of the episode is that it acts as an expose of the real-life hippies, how so many of them gave lip service to peace and love and brotherhood but who at the same time had no problem with hurting and killing innocent people to achieve their goals.

Saywhatnow? True hippies wouldn't hurt a fly, man. They'd be too stoned to.
If you're thinking of things like Mansen and the SLA, that wasn't the hippie movement, that was a buncha psychos.
 
2. The appearance of Lt. Palmer and the extensive scenes in Auxiliary Control bring remembrances of much happier times in the Star Trek universe, but there's not much else to recommend it. Like "Spock's Brain," this episode may not be quite as notoriously bad as it's reputed to be, but there are still a lot of things that just make me wince when I see them--especially the 'musical' happenings. While it might not be "worst episode of all time" bad, it still is bad. Quite bad. Really quite bad.
 
Saywhatnow? True hippies wouldn't hurt a fly, man. They'd be too stoned to.
If you're thinking of things like Mansen and the SLA, that wasn't the hippie movement, that was a buncha psychos.

In truth, there were genuine members of the hippie set who were extremely subversive, with acts including rampant drug dealing, prostitution, and violent enforcement of both.They were not a 100%, across-the-board "peace and love" sub-culture at all, and I'm not referring to those who co-opted it like Manson, et al. So, The Way To Eden sub-culutre commit violence to achieve their goals was not entirely a false idea.
 
"Way To Eden" feels like it inspired ST5:TFF. :shifty: I gave it a 3.

... Faux hippies. I'll say this for Lost in Space: they handled their condemnation of the snotty counter-culture (S3 "Collision of Planets" and "The Promised Planet") with confident moral certitude rather than mush-mouthed sympathizing. You may not agree, but at least LIS took a position and said something.....
Agree.
 
5.

Sulu: "How do you know what I want?"

Adam dealing with Herbert.
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Also cults, which is pretty much what Severin's group was. Manson was part of the Haight-Ashbury scene before he moved his "Family" out to a commune, which is what a lot of hippies were doing at the time.
 
Also cults, which is pretty much what Severin's group was. Manson was part of the Haight-Ashbury scene before he moved his "Family" out to a commune, which is what a lot of hippies were doing at the time.

The Severin "family" is weird in that they were not setting out to hate and kill, like Manson and his followers (in my light grasp of that event), yet the Severinites tried to kill 430 unconscious people as a mere tactical move so they could go live in a peace-and-love commune. The whole group of space hippies should be indicted for conspiracy to commit mass murder. If you think about it, what they tried to do, what the bunch of them happily went along with, is very serious. And the "no consequences for cute kids" ending is thus infuriating.
 
Really depends on what you want from your entertainment. This was Trek's purest camp moment, and it's a testament to TOS' variety of episodes that it HAS such an over-the-top campy episode.

The worst thing you can do is bore people, and this episode is not boring, just silly and now woefully anachronistic.

Now Alternative Factor--that, to me, is boring.
 
I haven't typically voted in these, but I always enjoyed this episode and I wanna give it some love...9.
 
"Hippies" were/are a real mixed bag, partly because it's about individual freedom and expression, therefore it's not going to be one uniform group of people. It's also about pushing past boundaries, taboos and conventions, and such radical experimentation is always risky... but more than worth it, when it works and hurts no one.

This episode goes both ways. Mostly it expresses the establishment line of the time, that America's teenagers are basically dupes, who would "behave" and be "normal", if it weren't for counter-culture Svengalis turning them to evil. On the other hand... Spock totally validates them. This actually is the thoughtful part of the story, which I've taken for granted. It makes you think about what they are, and what Spock is, and how they might meet in the middle. One might expect them to see Spock as the biggest Herbert of them all... but they don't. And he accepts them. Vulcan mind discipline isn't just some stuck up, anal retentive set of restrictions to freedom... they create their own kind of freedom.
 
"Hippies" were/are a real mixed bag, partly because it's about individual freedom and expression, therefore it's not going to be one uniform group of people. It's also about pushing past boundaries, taboos and conventions, and such radical experimentation is always risky... but more than worth it, when it works and hurts no one.

The problem is that it usually hurt once innocent people by exposing them to extreme acts and behavior all for a structurally unsound notion of "all are one" or "do whatever feels good.". Sevrin's entire method was manipulative and contradictory, as he was willing to kill 430 people all to justify his fractured utopian beliefs and desperation to reach an unearned paradise.

Further, he did not care (or believe), that his disease would kill anyone if encountered on Eden...because there's no way the "straights" could be telling the truth about his condition. He--and his followers--in their "my way, or the highway" hard line stand were the most close-minded of all.

On the other hand... Spock totally validates them. This actually is the thoughtful part of the story, which I've taken for granted. It makes you think about what they are, and what Spock is, and how they might meet in the middle.

While Spock's explanation of why anyone would seek the opposite of planned, artfully balanced communities was clear, his turning Sevrin's crew into a mirror of his own experiences was out of character, since:
  1. By that time in TOS' history, Spock hardly felt like an outsider and was (in his way) genuinely warm with his core Enterprise crew; the distance (and frustration with it) he expressed in "The Naked Time" was long gone.
  2. Moreover, thanks to beginning to restore a good relationship with his father while in the company of humans, he was more open as a person, and jettisoned yet another personal chain that once held him down among humans. The 1701 humans (his circle) are as fiercely loyal to him as he is to that core group; they are aware of it, and he is, too, so he's not the isolated side show that Sevrin and his followers were.

TOS Spock (outside of the Pon-Farr) would not kill innocents to achieve his goals, or expose others to his own problems, just to satisfy some off kilter, slapped together worldview of utopia.
 
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