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Episode of the Week : The Doomsday Machine

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Agreed. Just because you can talk an actor into doing a cameo in a piece of wanky fanservice doesn't make it undo the intent of the original creators.

It's been ages since I saw that one. The main thing I recall is that when Kirk and Company beam down to a street, the setting destroyed it for me. It was a "cookie-cutter" bedroom suburb, utterly commonplace and undistinguished. All I could think of was "kids playing Star Trek," because that's exactly where we did it back in the 1970s.

When TOS "went back in time" to present-day Earth, they always went someplace a little more interesting. An Air Force Base, Kennedy Space Center, or downtown Manhattan. The locations were simulated, but at least it was something more than my own front yard.
 
My brother-in-law and I showed this ep to his teenage kids as an introduction to Trek. I can't tell if they liked it or not, they were very quiet. The only comment was when they fired phasers and they sparkled off the planet killer's hull, my niece said "OH, that looks fake!"

The original phaser shot looks EXTREMELY fake. But that never bothered me.

In fact, one of my earliest Trek memories is of THAT effects shot, but I also remember putting it aside because I was enjoying the story so much.

But yeah, it looked fake back when I was in Kindergarten, (which was 1980 or so).
 
I don't get Decker beaming down his whole crew to a planet's surface. They come upon the Planet Killer killing planets. They have a fight with it. Decker beams his crew down onto a planet. With a planet killer in the area. Huh???

I get the real world reasoning. We had to get rid of Decker's crew somehow so that we could have Kirk and Scotty desperately jury rigging rather than Decker's crew doing it. We had to have the crew off of the Constellation so that we could ram it right down that thing's throat. And to give Decker his motivation/obsession. But in-story, why on Earth would you do that?

How long would it take? Six transporter pads, 430 crewman. That would take a while.
 
I don't get Decker beaming down his whole crew to a planet's surface. They come upon the Planet Killer killing planets. They have a fight with it. Decker beams his crew down onto a planet. With a planet killer in the area. Huh???

I get the real world reasoning. We had to get rid of Decker's crew somehow so that we could have Kirk and Scotty desperately jury rigging rather than Decker's crew doing it. We had to have the crew off of the Constellation so that we could ram it right down that thing's throat. And to give Decker his motivation/obsession. But in-story, why on Earth would you do that?

How long would it take? Six transporter pads, 430 crewman. That would take a while.

Matt simply says that the ship had no power.

Me, I think it would have worked better, if Matt had intended to sacrifice the Constellation all along. Matt might have considered beaming the crew down to be a necessary first step to ramming the starship down the machine's throat.

Injecting that into the story would alter Kirk's discovery of the solution to the machine somewhat, so that instead of solely taking inspiration from Matt's suicide shuttle run Kirk was also revisiting (new) dialog spoken by Matt in auxiliary control. Perhaps Matt's remarks there could have been appropriately cryptic to maintain suspense.

I seem to recall somebody floating this idea, or one similar to it, on the board a few years ago, but I don't remember any details.
 
I don't get Decker beaming down his whole crew to a planet's surface. They come upon the Planet Killer killing planets. They have a fight with it. Decker beams his crew down onto a planet. With a planet killer in the area. Huh???

I get the real world reasoning. We had to get rid of Decker's crew somehow so that we could have Kirk and Scotty desperately jury rigging rather than Decker's crew doing it. We had to have the crew off of the Constellation so that we could ram it right down that thing's throat. And to give Decker his motivation/obsession. But in-story, why on Earth would you do that?

How long would it take? Six transporter pads, 430 crewman. That would take a while.


I think that's the thing that kept me from hitting the ten.

Plus, why does that redshirt look like he's smiling when he's fighting Decker? Do junior officers enjoy punching commodores that much?
 
I loved William Windom; he was my favorite actor as a kid. Even now, his dynamism overwhelms every scene he is in and I still enjoy Shatner acting as counterpoint for once.

But the thought of Robert Ryan as the mad commodore is so very intriguing.

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I'm pretty hooked on the late William Windom for this specific character, but it's always a thrill to think of some of Hollywood's finest that would have (or at least could have) added even more zest to TREK.
 
I loved William Windom; he was my favorite actor as a kid. Even now, his dynamism overwhelms every scene he is in and I still enjoy Shatner acting as counterpoint for once.

But the thought of Robert Ryan as the mad commodore is so very intriguing.

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I'm pretty hooked on the late William Windom for this specific character, but it's always a thrill to think of some of Hollywood's finest that would have (or at least could have) added even more zest to TREK.
What was Robert Ryan's part in the series? I don't remember him in it.
 
I don't get Decker beaming down his whole crew to a planet's surface. They come upon the Planet Killer killing planets. They have a fight with it. Decker beams his crew down onto a planet. With a planet killer in the area. Huh???

KIRK: What happened to your crew?
DECKER: Oh, I had to beam them down. We were dead! No power, our phasers useless...


I've always interpreted the "We were dead" line of Decker to mean that he thought his ship was about to be destroyed, and so he beamed his crew off in a desperate attempt to save them from that fate. Unfortunately, the move backfired; the ship wasn't destroyed (yet, that is) and the crew died anyways.

Just a theory, but supported by this later exchange:

DECKER: I've been prepared for death ever since I, ever since I killed my crew.
KIRK: No one expects you to die for an error in judgment.

I get the real world reasoning. We had to get rid of Decker's crew somehow so that we could have Kirk and Scotty desperately jury rigging rather than Decker's crew doing it. We had to have the crew off of the Constellation so that we could ram it right down that thing's throat. And to give Decker his motivation/obsession. But in-story, why on Earth would you do that?

Not only would it ruin the story by removing Decker's motivation, but the fact is the production couldn't afford to show more than a few of the Constellation's crew. By this time, Desilu was drowning in red ink due largely to Star Trek.

How long would it take? Six transporter pads, 430 crewman. That would take a while.

Yes, we can only assume that the planet killer suspended its attack at some point and thus provided the opportunity to abandon the ship before it resumed the attack with only Decker remaining aboard.

Perhaps Decker's real misjudgment was how often the machine needed to feed... maybe he assumed that after eating the 4th planet, the machine wouldn't need to eat the 3rd right away, and thus his crew would be temporarily safe there until another ship could arrive to rescue them. Of course, the machine must have expended a lot of energy in attacking the Constellation, so maybe that led to a shortened amount of time required "between meals."
 
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Space 1999 did their own version of this one with the Dragon's Domain! Instead of a planet eating machine the monster in question was a cross between a Spider and an Octopus and sucked humans into it's maw! Commodore Decker became Tony Cellini the deranged pilot obsessed with getting revenge upon the beast that ate his crew rather than destroying the world where his people beamed down to!
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Space 1999 did their own version of this one with the Dragon's Domain! Instead of a planet eating machine the monster in question was a cross between a Spider and an Octopus and sucked humans into it's maw! Commodore Decker became Tony Cellini the deranged pilot obsessed with getting revenge upon the beast that ate his crew rather than destroying the world where his people beamed down to!
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I remember Space 1999 very well, even though I haven't seen it in ages, because it started with the moon being knocked out of orbit by the explosion of the nuclear waste imported there from Earth. I liked that series even though I found the premise to be utterly ridiculous. There was also a solarium on the station where you could see scantily clad babes sunbathing and things like that. then the moon travels incredible distances and finds other star systems, planets, even a generational ship once that was supposed to transport thousands of people for a very long time. The ship had incurred a catastrophe and some if its inhabitant had regressed to the level of cavemen.

Most of the episodes were interesting in spite of being absolutely inexplicable.
 
Yes, we can only assume that the planet killer suspended its attack at some point and thus provided the opportunity to abandon the ship before it resumed the attack with only Decker remaining aboard.
We also have to postulate that during that brief lull, 429 people decided it would be a good idea to beam down to a planet to escape a planet killer.

It must have been an extremely good idea, one that provided real hope of long-term survival. What we can rule out right away is the idea that the crew would beam down to the planet in panic, without considering the risks and disaster scenarios. A panicking crew could not beam down - the operation depends on perfect coordination. Moreover, a panicking crew's first instinct would not be to abandon ship. The ship would have been their only means of survival for months or years, and everybody would not just intellectually but instinctively know that "not inside ship" = "death". Starship crews have never been known to attempt anything even remotely like abandoning ship, not unless the CO gives an explicit order (and even then, he's often disobeyed). Yet here 429 people do beam down, in good order.

We must also accept that everybody involved knew that planets were deathtraps as long as the DDM was around. Decker's crew had located the beast by following a trail of eaten star systems. Everybody who had been on the bridge during the supposedly multi-day chase would be well informed, and would have to agree with the beam-down decision before it could proceed. Moreover, everybody on the bridge when the DDM was finally spotted would know exactly what it did to planets, as Decker says this is the very thing they saw happen.

So, what could this brilliant idea be?

The episode itself provides a pretty good answer: Decker had the same idea all along. Since the hides of the beast are invulnerable, ram something down the throat of the damn thing! If Decker had engaged the beast in combat already (and this is suggested by his "We couldn't run!" - he wouldn't try to run without trying something more proactive first), he would know he's out of other options. If Decker had lost phasers (and this happened before the beamdown, he says as much), he would know he's out of other opinions. So what he tells could be literally true after all.

1) Evacuate the crew. This calls for the ability to maneuver to within transporter range of a planet, so the ship is still maneuverable at that point, even though she can't "run" (with antimatter deactivated, warp drive is probably dead, but impulse here is explicitly a different matter).
2) Ram the beast. This turns the planet from a deathtrap to a survival shelter, even though it costs Decker his own life. And ramming speed is not an issue, as we later find out; limping in would suffice.

Too bad that the second part failed because the DDM attacked a second time, and totally destroyed the Constellation's ability to move and thus ram. Scotty ascertains that the ship is now immobile, whereas the beam-down event itself verifies the ship was still mobile moments before the beam-down.

Of course, after the total failure, Decker is hell-bent on exhausting all other options when handed a fully functional, armed starship... But eventually he goes back to his original idea anyway.

Six transporter pads, 430 crewman

We never learn what the total transporter capacity of the Enterprise is. We see something like four distinct configurations for the transporter set during the course of the show, some very distinct. We could safely assume at least two transporters, because one is in the saucer, near Deck 7 highlights such as Sickbay, but another is down near Deck 14 ("Dagger of the Mind"). But we could just as well assume six. Or twelve, or whatever.

We never see a single transporter room go down anyway. In "The Enemy Within", transporters first fail inexplicably, so they must all be declared unusable until the mystery is solved; after that, Evil Kirk destroys a central resource rather than something specific to a single room. In all other episodes where transporters become unusable, they do so because of some phenomenon that affects the overall machinery, not because a single room would be damaged or hexed or jinxed or whatever. So there is no particular reason to believe that the ship would not have more than one room. (Naturally, whichever room our heroes use becomes "The transporter room" in dialogue. They only ever use one at a time, after all, there only being so many of our heroes!)

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I think it's obvious that Decker ordered them to beam down to the planet. He thought he was being noble by staying behind. Turns out he was wrong.


I mean losing more than four hundred people at once that has to be traumatizing.

It takes Kirk at least a year to lose that many red shirts.:lol:
 
I think it's obvious that Decker ordered them to beam down to the planet.

It's also obvious that if they themselves didn't think it was a good idea, they'd tell Decker to fly a kite.

Decker couldn't force anybody to beam down: his bridge would be full of officers ready to dethrone him perfectly in accordance with regulations, while the decks below would be full of crewmen ready to decapitate him with their bare hands perfectly in violation of regulations. Decker also couldn't tell the computer to beam everybody down: that technology would only be available in TNG.

The closest Decker could get to the end result without the full and eager cooperation of his crew would be to suddenly fire his sidearm on widebeam stun at his bridge crew, then stun-gas the rest of the ship, and then switch to vaporize to get rid of everybody. (I gather that could be traumatizing, too.)

Timo Saloniemi
 
One of my favorite episodes of trek ever.

Decker: "I'm going to stop it!"

Kirk: "Not with my ship, you won't!"
 
The doomsday machine may have been advanced as a weapon of destruction but it's computer system was very primitive. I guess they had to give it a primitive intelligence or it would have been much harder to destroy.
 
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