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Episode of the Week : The Doomsday Machine

Rate "The Doomsday Machine"

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As a child I didn't rate this one but upon seeing it as a teenager and now as an adult I love it! It's definetley the very best of the best!
Although if it came from outside the galaxy and was fuelled by planetary debris what did it exist on between the celestial island galaxies?
JB
 
Although if it came from outside the galaxy and was fuelled by planetary debris what did it exist on between the celestial island galaxies?
JB

Well, it wouldn't really need propulsion; it would coast between galaxies once it got up to speed. In space the speed wouldn't bleed off unless effected by some outside force. NASA did the same thing when going to the moon (or any other planet). They fire the rocket engine until they get to speed, cut off the engine and then just coast until they get there. I always envisioned the doomsday machine calculating how much time it would take to get to the next galaxy and shutting down until it arrives.

Forgot to mention that I loath the new effects. The DDM looks too much like a cartoon and it's hardly believable that a "miles long" vehicle could move like that. Also, the original AMT Constellation I thought in the top view (at the opening of Act 1) looks amazing. I think they did a great job making it appear full size. Now the back view (when going into the maw of the DDM) is a much different story; it looks like an AMT model, lol
 
Although if it came from outside the galaxy and was fuelled by planetary debris what did it exist on between the celestial island galaxies?
JB

Well, it wouldn't really need propulsion; it would coast between galaxies once it got up to speed. In space the speed wouldn't bleed off unless effected by some outside force. NASA did the same thing when going to the moon (or any other planet). They fire the rocket engine until they get to speed, cut off the engine and then just coast until they get there. I always envisioned the doomsday machine calculating how much time it would take to get to the next galaxy and shutting down until it arrives.

Forgot to mention that I loath the new effects. The DDM looks too much like a cartoon and it's hardly believable that a "miles long" vehicle could move like that. Also, the original AMT Constellation I thought in the top view (at the opening of Act 1) looks amazing. I think they did a great job making it appear full size. Now the back view (when going into the maw of the DDM) is a much different story; it looks like an AMT model, lol

The one bad point about the whole episode unfortunately!
JB
 
What about finding him in a state of shock aboard the Constellation?

That's somewhat akin to the police flagging down a driver who's too tired to stay on the road. Once you get him to halt and come out of the vehicle, the driver will be wide awake! The moment of physical shock clearly passed before McCoy was able to take authoritative readings, and in any case was ancient history when the question of relieving the Commodore came up.

Although if it came from outside the galaxy and was fuelled by planetary debris what did it exist on between the celestial island galaxies?

It's pretty weird that Spock could claim with such authority that the beast did come from outside the galaxy. The only way to find out whether the DDM had savaged a given star system was to go into that system and take readings there. Spock's ship surveyed, what, half a dozen systems? Even if these formed a beeline through space (the odds against any half a dozen neighboring or semi-neighboring systems being in line, or even roughly in line, are pretty much zero!), how could Spock claim that the starting point of the DDM was outside the galaxy? Any beeline would eventually point out of the galaxy, just like all roads lead to Rome, but Spock has zero data on the travels of the DDM beyond the immediate stretch. If the beast feeds on planets, it would be highly unlikely not to make a sharp turn when encountering the edge of planet-rich space!

Also, if Spock has observed a beeline, then the odds of that pointing directly at a Federation star system are pretty much zero again, unless the Federation encompasses the entire Milky Way or nearly so. The latter might have been assumed in some of TOS, but probably not by most writers; it's clearly not true in the wider context.

If, OTOH, Spock has observed a zigzag course that makes the best possible advantage of local food resources, then any attempt at establishing a point or line of origin or a point or line of destination are pretentious at best.

Most of our heroes' analysis of the DDM is speculation anyway. Does it really eat planets for food? For all we know, splitting and digesting planets is hard work that starves the beast, after which it has to recuperate and gather energy from somewhere else altogether. Is it a vengeance or MAD weapon from an ancient cold war that unfortunately went hot? For all we know, it's a berserker instead, a weapon designed specifically to preemptively destroy everybody else so that the masters can sleep their nights in peace. Or a terraforming machine gone mad. Does it have hostile intent, in the criminal or military sense? Everything speaks against that - it doesn't even chase starships, beyond what it takes to shoo them away from the de-construction zone...

In this sense, it's Trek at its weakest, or our heroes at their weakest: science doesn't carry the day, and blind aggression is the solution of both the heroes and the villains through and through.

Regarding the effects, the use of "phaser beams" in both the original and the redone version is appalling. In the original material, the beams are cartoony, sketchily drawn, and employed in a dull, two-dimensional manner; the one blast from the Constellation is the saving grace there. In the remastering, the way the thin beams just ride along the side of the beast without attempting any sort of dwelling (supposedly a key tactic if you want penetration) makes the sequences look like a primitive computer game, which in some ways is even worse than being cartoony... And while three-dimensionality finally makes an appearance, it's at the cost of scale. :( IMHO, that is.

Timo Saloniemi
 
I went back and forth but ended up with a 10.

My main nitpick would be that in a way, the main villain is somewhat unsatisfying: just a random big thing that goes around destroying, with no particular rhyme or reason that we can see.

However, simplifying the external conflict allows us to see more of the internal conflict. Windom is convincing, if occasionally a little overwrought, as the commander driven mad by guilt over the loss of his crew, and when he tells Kirk what happened to them, you can see the "there but for the grace of God" pain that Kirk feels on his behalf. Spock's dilemma over whether to rebel against Decker is interesting to watch, and the episode gives us one of the better, and more nuanced, Spock/McCoy conflicts (much more interesting than the relatively one-dimensional way they appeared in the first season).

I believe, although I could be wrong, that this was the first time a Constitution-class starship other than the Enterprise appeared. Seeing it blackened and burned must have had a similar impact, on first run, to seeing the Galaxy-class Odyssey destroyed by the Jem'Hadar at the beginning of the Dominion War.

And while non-canon, Peter David's TNG novel "Vendetta" provides a satisfying backstory for the machine.
 
I believe, although I could be wrong, that this was the first time a Constitution-class starship other than the Enterprise appeared. Seeing it blackened and burned must have had a similar impact, on first run, to seeing the Galaxy-class Odyssey destroyed by the Jem'Hadar at the beginning of the Dominion War.

You are indeed correct based on the original productions, although for TOS-remastered, they show the Constitution class U.S.S. Intrepid at the beginning of "Court Martial."

And yes, as a TNG fan I too was quite excited at seeing another Galaxy-Class starship on DS9, with a captain who seemed to be a Picard peer. And I was indeed shocked to see the Odyssey destroyed. I suppose fans watching "The Doomsday Machine" might have experienced something of a similar shock on an October's Friday night in 1967.
 
Scotty was sure kept busy in this one! First, the boarding party work, then fixing up the Constellation to at least be able to maneuver, rigging the explosion, then back to the Enterprise, fixing the transporter! He didn't get a moment's break! :wtf:

There are some neat shots in the remastered...but overall something isn't right, and the battle with the Enterprise at times makes me think of a Max Fleischer Superman cartoon, for some reason. And the crackling energy in the maw of the machine looked far, far more energetic and real in the original.

You'd think the 97.8 megaton explosion which defeated it would have sent it hurling backwards. That actually might've been cool, to see it tumbling, end-over-end into the distance. But enough of that..now I'm thinking like the remastering team, and why mess with a classic?

Great episode! :)
 
97.835 megatons ain't gonna throw anything made of neutronium as big as the Planet Killer anywhere.
 
It never even crossed my mind with the original version. Must be that the remastered dm looks lighter to me, it seems to stand out for some reason!
 
My brother-in-law and I showed this ep to his teenage kids as an introduction to Trek. I can't tell if they liked it or not, they were very quiet. The only comment was when they fired phasers and they sparkled off the planet killer's hull, my niece said "OH, that looks fake!"
 
My brother-in-law and I showed this ep to his teenage kids as an introduction to Trek. I can't tell if they liked it or not, they were very quiet. The only comment was when they fired phasers and they sparkled off the planet killer's hull, my niece said "OH, that looks fake!"

Yes, it didn't look at all like the last time I saw a Doomsday machine's hull being hit by phaser fire.
 
William Windom was astounding. It was such a relief to see that Matt Decker did not die at the end of this episode as we thought for many years. Matt Decker lived a full life and died of old age in the late twentith century (See Star Trek New Voyages "In Harms Way" if you don't know what I am talking about.)
Nah, he died. Fanwankery doesn't count.

It counts when you get William Windom to play him in your production !

Windom was astounding. The little touches he added, rubbing his shoulder when he got the shot, looking over at the navigation console when giving the course, and let us not foget his homage to bogart withe the computer cards he was fiddling with.
 
William Windom was astounding. It was such a relief to see that Matt Decker did not die at the end of this episode as we thought for many years. Matt Decker lived a full life and died of old age in the late twentith century (See Star Trek New Voyages "In Harms Way" if you don't know what I am talking about.)
Nah, he died. Fanwankery doesn't count.

It counts when you get William Windom to play him in your production !

Not at all.
 
I believe, although I could be wrong, that this was the first time a Constitution-class starship other than the Enterprise appeared. Seeing it blackened and burned must have had a similar impact, on first run, to seeing the Galaxy-class Odyssey destroyed by the Jem'Hadar at the beginning of the Dominion War.

You are indeed correct based on the original productions, although for TOS-remastered, they show the Constitution class U.S.S. Intrepid at the beginning of "Court Martial."

And yes, as a TNG fan I too was quite excited at seeing another Galaxy-Class starship on DS9, with a captain who seemed to be a Picard peer. And I was indeed shocked to see the Odyssey destroyed. I suppose fans watching "The Doomsday Machine" might have experienced something of a similar shock on an October's Friday night in 1967.


Don't forget, we saw the Galaxy-class Yamato blown up long before DS9 came along.
 
On the other hand, the intent of original creators has often been undone by Star Trek, often to great dramatic benefit, sometimes to dramatic detriment. It may suddenly turn out that the Klingon Empire hasn't had an Emperor for centuries, that the ship has shuttlecraft in addition to transporters, or that Spock's distant human ancestor is his mother, alive and well.

Then again, resurrecting a dead character basically never works.

Timo Saloniemi
 
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