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Episode of the Week: 2x01 The Child

Pro life: Well what would you expect from a generally progressive series? Oddly though, ST in general is pretty critical of most biological improvements or tinkering with humanity.

Pro-choice. World of difference.

Meh. Not a particular fan of the Writer's Strike episode.

But how can you call it pro-choice or pro-life or anti-women?

How does one woman, making a choice to carry her own baby, have any political bearing whatsoever? Being pro-choice doesn't make you pro-abortion, and being pro-life doesn't make you pro-patriarchy. Plenty of women who believe in the right to have an abortion would choose not to have one themselves.

It is clearly "pro-choice" because Deanna makes a choice and Picard ends the discussion. I never implied that pro-choice meant pro-abortion. Pro-choice means allowing the mother to choose. Let's rewrite those lines slightly;
Deanna: "Captain, do whatever you feel is necessary to study a new life-form, but know this: I'm not going to give birth to this creature."
Picard: "Then it seems that the discussion is over."
It still remains "pro-choice". Deanna makes the choice. That is the most important thing here and in a "pro-choice" belief.
 
Given the dialogue in Nor the Battle the the Strong concerning Jake's age and being in 18 in a dangerous situation, and the fact that Wesley is constantly referred to as a boy or child throughout season two, it's safe to say the age of adulthood is still 18 among humans.
 
The Child.

Well, the day has finally come. It was inevitable since both Gene Roddenberry and Maurice Hurley were in charge of the major story developments of TNG, so here it is. The episode that hates women.

For starters, two of the three main female characters from Season One are now gone leaving Troi the only main reoccurring female character of the show. Incase you need a reminder, she's the only main cast member who doesn't wear a uniform. But the episode tries to sweep this under the rug by giving all the guys promotions which results in them taking over positions that at first were manned by female characters. We're already off to a great start.

Also, Troi gets raped. I'm sorry, but that's what happens here. An alien force enters and impregnates her while she is an unwilling participant. So, how does Maurice handle Deana and Pulaski when Troi sees her about it? Why, by going to the bar of course! Screw Sick Bay, screw alerting the Captain that one of his senior officers was violated by an unknown entity. The ship has a new bar! God, at least Nemesis got it right when she went directly to Sick Bay immediately after going through a 'psychic rape' attack.

And you gotta love that scene in the conference room where Troi is sitting AWAY from the rest of the crew when they're all discussing her pregnancy. It's not even until the very end when she finally chimes in to make the decision.

And here's another fun example at how this story hates the female gender.

PULASKI: It's a male human, or in this case half-human half-Betazoid.
RIKER: Exactly the same as Deanna.
PULASKI: In every way. In fact, there is nothing to indicate that there are any genetic patterns other than hers.
That's right. Exactly like Deanna in every way.... except for the fact that it's male. WHY? Does this energy entity that lacks organic components carry a Y chromosome?

And I haven't even gotten to the cargo plot yet.

Someone has A LOT of free time. And after reading all of this, I feel like I just got done watching a news anchor trying to make a situation bigger than it really is. It's an episode of Star Trek. You act like Rush Limbaugh directed it.
 
Melakon said:
Well the only way they could have done that was to fire Wheaton along with McFadden, and they didn't seem ready to do that. So Wesley stayed on board.

You're trying to put a moral choice on a production decision. Maybe you'd prefer that Beverly was in stasis in a bottom drawer in Sickbay somewhere during Season 2.
A lesser series might simply have recast the Dr. Crusher part. McFadden should count herself lucky that they decided to write the character out, instead of simply replacing the actress and having The Child open with a scene where Wesley walks into sickbay and says "Hi Mom!" to a new Dr. Crusher. :)
 
A lesser series might simply have recast the Dr. Crusher part. McFadden should count herself lucky that they decided to write the character out, instead of simply replacing the actress

Or they could have you know... killed her off like Tasha. :devil:
 
Melakon said:
Well the only way they could have done that was to fire Wheaton along with McFadden, and they didn't seem ready to do that. So Wesley stayed on board.

You're trying to put a moral choice on a production decision. Maybe you'd prefer that Beverly was in stasis in a bottom drawer in Sickbay somewhere during Season 2.
A lesser series might simply have recast the Dr. Crusher part. McFadden should count herself lucky that they decided to write the character out, instead of simply replacing the actress and having The Child open with a scene where Wesley walks into sickbay and says "Hi Mom!" to a new Dr. Crusher. :)

Or, they could have opened with Stunt Actor Beverly with some alien facehugger thing on her face, she's taken to sickbay where Non-Dialogue Doctor Extras work on her, and at the half-hour break they get the bandages off and she looks like... uh... Morgan Fairchild! Yeah! That's the ticket!
 
"Beverly's Brain": Aliens steal Dr. Crusher's brain to run their civilization. The Enterprise crew sets off to retrieve it. Not having the doctor around to work magic, her body dies before they retrieve the brain. Fortunately they find a TrekBBSer with an empty cranium and transplant the brain into her.

The following season she has a cosmetic procedure to make her new body resemble her original body.
 
Or the billing could have been "Special Guest Star Diana Muldaur as Beverly Crusher" after a transporter accident that takes the entire season to resolve.
 
It's entertainment, quality is subjective.

And what is that supposed to mean? Entertainment is also subjective Bill. Do you regard every single piece of media that's labeled as entertainment as entertaining? I sure don't. Just because it's subjective doesn't mean one person's subjective view is irrelevant. We're all talking about what our subjective thoughts and opinions are of this episode, so what are you talking about?
 
It's entertainment, quality is subjective.

And what is that supposed to mean? Entertainment is also subjective Bill. Do you regard every single piece of media that's labeled as entertainment as entertaining? I sure don't. Just because it's subjective doesn't mean one person's subjective view is irrelevant. We're all talking about what our subjective thoughts and opinions are of this episode, so what are you talking about?

Yeah, and it's a bad episode of Star Trek that comes off as quite offensive. I'm not that dismissive in poor taste as you are.

Stating that its offensive is an opinion. Stating that your somehow better than someone who likes it isn't. It's designed to be an insult to the taste of posters who like it.
 
Stating that its offensive is an opinion. Stating that your somehow better than someone who likes it isn't. It's designed to be an insult to the taste of posters who like it.

How does stating that I'm not as dismissive at poor taste supposed to mean I'm better than he is? Some people like poor taste. Some writers incorporate poor taste into their story in either comedic or dramatic ways. If that's heavy lids thing, that's not a problem. I just find the idea of a Troi being raped, impregnated and nobody (including Troi) giving much thought about it in the end to be the kind of poor taste I don't find entertaining. If heavy finds it entertaining, fine. I won't think him the lesser for it.
 
I'm weeks behind on this... Eeeek.


As a kid (whenever this was first on BBC2... 1991/2?) I just thought this episode was very dull. Which pretty much set the tone for how I viewed most of the rest of the season.

As an adult, oh yes, there's all sorts of unfortunate implications. But unlike Code of Honor it at least feels unintentional (the reality of the making of each episode is immaterial from that POV, it's just how the finished product winds up feeling to this viewer) and more a case of things not being thought through properly.

It also represents of of my minor bugs when it comes to SF and fantasy... instantly got rid of babies. In fiction generally, pregnancies (or at least births) are seen as full of potential for drama and/or comedy.

But once the baby is born... well you can get a bit of comedy out of it but generally babies are useless for drama. They're just mewing screaming shitting bundles rather than characters. Many TV shows will often fudge the age of their kids so they get to be old enough they have at least the vestige of a personality much sooner (which basically happened with Alexander and Molly on the Trek shows) but SF also gives the magnificent cop out of allowing a rapid, instant pregnancy due to ALIENS/SCIENCE/MAGIC and then ageing or otherwise magincally getting rid of the kid (without killing them, baby death really isn't something most viewers, including myself, are that keen on).

So you get the drama of a birth... without having to deal with any of the real consequences beyond one episode (or if you're really luck, an arc). I just find it generally lazy and annoying, and here is no exception. We're even told within the episode Troi won't even show the basic signs of having had a baby to hammer home how few the long term consequences are.

I would also like to offer some defence for our new Doctor. I actually like her overly confrontational attitude towards Data, she's got a really obvious character arc set in motion where she starts off hating this machine (as several non-Enterprise crew-members we meet over the years do) before coming to respect and like him. It's the sort of thing we should have seen at least one of the regulars having to struggle with in season one (we get a little bit of it with Riker- the only person we see meet Data for the first time in Encounter- but that quickly gets forgotten after their first scene).

Considering it's so obvious how their relationship is going to go even at this stage, it amazes me how many people hated her right from the off when she's obviously someone who is going to learn a lesson.

Indeed, I don't think there's any sign of aninomisty between them after Elementary Dear Data, only the third episode of the season. I'll talk when I reach that thread about how the ball was dropped on resolving that character arc, but from the way some people talk Pulaski did nothing but continually mock and belittle Data for the entire season. Which is far from the case.
 
Considering it's so obvious how their relationship is going to go even at this stage, it amazes me how many people hated her right from the off when she's obviously someone who is going to learn a lesson.

While I certainly understand the Data/Pulaski relationship needed to start on the rough side, there were several moments about Pulaski that just screamed unprofessionalism. How do you justify not greeting the captain of the ship you're about to serve under, let alone interrupt him when he's trying to meet you in person for the first time?

And Pulaski's role in Troi's pregnancy was also not handled well. Doctor/Patient confidentiality is a very serious issue, and when Troi comes to Pulaski regarding this unknown pregnancy, they don't go to sick bay, they go to the bar..... where there are other crew members around. This was NOT the place to shoot the scene. If anything, it should have either been in Sickbay or in Troi's quarters. At least if it was in Troi's quarters, Picard could have figured out for himself that Pulaski was helping Troi with something serious and not deliberately avoiding the Captain. There could have been a nice moment for Picard to appreciate Pulaski's commitment to her job by putting duty first first and saving formalities for later.
 
May as well have called this episode "The Odd Life of Ian Troi." You know, aside from the whole icky alien rape part. Like Timothy Green, Ian is a child of remarkable intelligence and growth who seems to have sprouted up out of the ground (in the movie, literally), who fill their parent(s) with a sense of joy they'd never felt before, but who only has a short time to stay (in Ian's case, because he realizes he's a danger to everyone on the Enterprise). Both stories work to play with our emotions to compensate for lame plotlines, and both do a rather sloppy job of it.
 
Patrick wouldn't have allowed them to kill her off - he already has enough guilt without feeling responsible for her death too!
 
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