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Spoilers Episode 11 Preview Trailer

Ar-Pharazon said:
I was thinking Genesis Of The Borg™ after last week. An out of control/corrupted AI, plus time travel, plus nano-probes.

All that has to happen is, one of those probes containing a messed up version of Control falls back in time far enough, lands on one specific planet in the Delta quadrant and tries to convert the poor suckers that find it. Species 001.
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God damn I hope not.

I think it would be more interesting if Control evolved into a sentient A.I that wiped out the Borg and took their place. However, it would instead seek out civilisations with advanced A.I's and seek to assimilate the A.I to enhance itself. The biological lifeforms of the galaxy would be seen as a threat to its desires of a galaxy spanning artificial super-intelligence and would be exterminated.
 
Agony_Boothb said:
God damn I hope not.

I think it would be more interesting if Control evolved into a sentient A.I that wiped out the Borg and took their place. However, it would instead seek out civilisations with advanced A.I's and seek to assimilate the A.I to enhance itself. The biological lifeforms of the galaxy would be seen as a threat to its desires of a galaxy spanning artificial super-intelligence and would be exterminated.
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I don't think I really hope for it either. Too "small universe syndrome" if the Federation/S31 was responsible for the Borg.

Your idea certainly sounds like what would happen if Spock's visions came true.
 
It would make total sense if Control were the initiator of the Borg. Or of something similar that evolved into the Borg in the past. Many things can happen here to explain that. It would actually be cool.

However, I am curious to see how/why Burnham’s mother ended up in a future where this happened and why didn’t she do more to change the past. Everything seems rather “deus ex-Machina” and poorly written tbh. A far cry from the scripts of DS9 or TNG unfortunately.

I still cannot believe how they dropped the “yes, we built a space-traveling suit” thing just like that and no one was like “wtf?!”. Again, they try to cram too much with poor results. I actually think that the Kaminar episode and the Airien one where the only good ones so far. Still, better than last year’s season.

I have rewatched countless times every other Star Trek series, but I have not watched a single Discovery episode twice. Isn’t that sad?

Hopefully Sir Patrick Stewart will bring some of the true Trek spirit back.

P.S.
- also, why they resorted to alternate universes in season 1 and time travel in season 2?! Isn’t the quadrant/galaxy big enough to warrant adventures in it? And the spore drive... don’t even get me started with it...!!
 
Krog said:
It would make total sense if Control were the initiator of the Borg. Or of something similar that evolved into the Borg in the past. Many things can happen here to explain that. It would actually be cool.

However, I am curious to see how/why Burnham’s mother ended up in a future where this happened and why didn’t she do more to change the past. Everything seems rather “deus ex-Machina” and poorly written tbh. A far cry from the scripts of DS9 or TNG unfortunately.

I still cannot believe how they dropped the “yes, we built a space-traveling suit” thing just like that and no one was like “wtf?!”. Again, they try to cram too much with poor results. I actually think that the Kaminar episode and the Airien one where the only good ones so far. Still, better than last year’s season.

I have rewatched countless times every other Star Trek series, but I have not watched a single Discovery episode twice. Isn’t that sad?

Hopefully Sir Patrick Stewart will bring some of the true Trek spirit back.

P.S.
- also, why they resorted to alternate universes in season 1 and time travel in season 2?! Isn’t the quadrant/galaxy big enough to warrant adventures in it? And the spore drive... don’t even get me started with it...!!
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It seems like Mama Burnham was simply in protector mode. If Michael was in danger, she protected her daughter. Might be as simple as that. How she ended up as the RA will be an interesting tale. What S31 thought was her end was her stealing the suit.
 
I have a hunch that he see the Klingons that we are told to be responsible for the death of Burnham's parents in this episode and that they are augment Klingons...
 
We still don't know who are the bad guys and who are the good guys in the future Spock saw.

Some folks blow up planets. But Spock says those planets were "barren" to begin with - perhaps blowing them up is a good thing, a way to fight the thing that terminated sentient life in the Milky Way? The Red Angel leads our heroes from disaster to disaster. But none of these seem to relate to loss of sentient life in the galaxy yet. Is the Red Angel involved there at all? A future AI infiltrates our time as a seeming side product of the Angel's antics. But the Angel has the power to stop that from happening, with further meddling. Is she in cahoots with the future AI after all, then?

Meeting the Angel is bound to clarify things. And from the looks of the trailer, she isn't wearing a white hat...

Timo Saloniemi
 
But the Borg are Bigfoot. The Federation didn't know (much) about them in the 24th century yet, so the Waadwaur knowledge of them in the 15th is bound to have been lacking, too. Odds are that they were everywhere hundreds of thousands of years ago already, just as Q claims (and Guinan, his arch-nemesis, doesn't feel like contradicting). I mean, how would anybody know? The Borg are more or less invisible anyway.

But yes, time travel...

Timo Saloniemi
 
It's not as if S2 would be continuing a storyline from S1 or anything.

To the contrary, they dropped L'Rell like a lukewarm potato, with half an episode out of the ten so far dedicated to the Klingon Question. Indeed, no Klingons of any sort until, apparently, Ep 11. Not even Voq surfacing from behind Tyler.

Timo Saloniemi
 
DaveyNY said:
But this weeks episode seem to be bringing the Klingons back in force.
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Possibly just in flash-back form. Mama Burnham recanting the day the Klingon's show up looking for the time suit / time crystals, Papa Burnham dying trying to save his family and Mama grabbing the suit and ..... leaping ....
 
Q2UnME said:
Possibly just in flash-back form. Mama Burnham recanting the day the Klingon's show up looking for the time suit / time crystals, Papa Burnham dying trying to save his family and Mama grabbing the suit and ..... leaping ....
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You've cracked the mystery. Control is not an evil A.I. from the future--he's a highly deranged Al who can't home in on Sam Beckett anymore, ever since he got stuck in Jonathan Archer's life. He's determined to wipe out everything and start over, hoping Sam can break out of his "stuck in time" trap. It all makes sense now.
 
I have my doubts that they would go that deep with a TNG reference, where they have not really in the past, but if they were to pull anything, the Borg is indeed probably the most widely-known thing from TNG in the minds of casual viewers.

I really hope not. Unless they are radically altered (again, possible) I am thoroughly tired of the Borg*











*but I said that about the Klingons once, and I was pleasantly surprised.
 
Ovation said:
You've cracked the mystery. Control is not an evil A.I. from the future--he's a highly deranged Al who can't home in on Sam Beckett anymore, ever since he got stuck in Jonathan Archer's life. He's determined to wipe out everything and start over, hoping Sam can break out of his "stuck in time" trap. It all makes sense now.
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Opening shot of Episode 14:

We zoom in on a large manor in upstate New York, and cut to a wall full of awards and accomplishments spanning Starfleet and Federation history. This is the home of former President Jonathan Archer.

Archer (Scott Bakula in old-age makeup) hears an odd noise and sets down a book by a stand honoring the late Porthos. Using a futuristic cane, he ambles to the large bay window, where a bright light shines on his face. It's a giant squid-probe floating outside of his home.

Archer: "Oh boy."
 
Of course this might be total nonsense, but there´s possible something in the opposite style. Like that fleet/inteligence from the future is really some sort of successful Borg/8472 combination and it indoctrinated Control into creating it´s own nanoprobes. I don´t believe it, but it wouldn´t surprise me in Discovery.
 
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