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Entertainment Weekly Reviews The Star Trek Movies

Ha! He can't bring himself to admit it, but by the end he's saying "This was actually pretty good."

I was particularly amused by:

There’s an oddly prudish elitism in contemporary geek culture, a sense that things need to be “Important” to be good. ... Skyfall, Avengers, Civil War, and Star Trek Into Darkness radiate self-importance, as if the filmmakers demand you to witness the power of pure themes.​
 
He's pretty clear in what he's saying and it's not that Nemesis is good, it's that Nemesis is interesting. It's a bad movie with bad writing but it tries to be unique, unlike any franchise film since 2010 or so, which makes it rewatchable to him and worthy of some respect. Basically, it's one of his guilty pleasure films.

Personally, I think he's giving it too much credit.
 
Exactly. The point of these essays is not to give thumbs-up, thumbs-down, consumer-oriented reviews to movies that already came and went years ago. They're about looking at the movies from different angles to see what they say about the state of STAR TREK (and pop culture in general) at the times they were made, and what lessons we might derive from them going into the future.
 
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He's pretty clear in what he's saying and it's not that Nemesis is good, it's that Nemesis is interesting. It's a bad movie with bad writing but it tries to be unique, unlike any franchise film since 2010 or so, which makes it rewatchable to him and worthy of some respect. Basically, it's one of his guilty pleasure films.
He does actually say that Tom Hardy, Stewart and Spiner give good performances, he takes a positive view of Troi's mindrape-and-vengeance story, he likes the battle scene, and thinks the climax and conclusion were powerful.
 
Same here. I haven't watched it since opening night in 2002, but I may end up breaking that moratorium.

I haven't either.... the Dracula take is definitely interesting. That makes two of the TNG movies thinly veiled horror flicks in a way?

There is a fan edit i downloaded I might check out. I think it keeps Shinzon and the clone reveal off screen until the reveal is made to Picard. More like TWOK, with the two only conversing over the comms.

My main observation after reading that article was wow, Shinzon's ship looks like it would fit in better in "Galaga - The Movie" ... :D
 
I haven't either.... the Dracula take is definitely interesting. That makes two of the TNG movies thinly veiled horror flicks in a way?
That's really down to the bat-like Reman makeup design being reminiscent of Nosferatu. If the makeup was different I think no-one would draw the vampire comparison.

There has long been a touch of horror in Star Trek. I think you could point out elements of horror in almost all the movies. (TMP's bodysnatching supercomputer, TWOK's bore-worms, the creature near Spock's coffin in TSFS, TFF's mind control, FC's Borg zombies, INS's extreme plastic surgery.)
Any Trek episode that involves scary-looking aliens or mind control would fall into the horror genre to some extent. Mirror Mirror would probably count too.
 
That's really down to the bat-like Reman makeup design being reminiscent of Nosferatu. If the makeup was different I think no-one would draw the vampire comparison.

There has long been a touch of horror in Star Trek. I think you could point out elements of horror in almost all the movies. (TMP's bodysnatching supercomputer, TWOK's bore-worms, the creature near Spock's coffin in TSFS, TFF's mind control, FC's Borg zombies, INS's extreme plastic surgery.)
Any Trek episode that involves scary-looking aliens or mind control would fall into the horror genre to some extent. Mirror Mirror would probably count too.

I dunno, I hadn't thought of the dracula connotations either, but the whole Troi arc in the movie now makes thematic sense, with Dracula and Frankenstein allusions. It always made sense in a cheap thematic way that Riker fights the viceroy, (first officer versus chief henchman) but that makes it make more sense too. (the bottomless pit has always made sense btw, you just have to to think a bit and literally tilt your head)
Apart from all that....Nemesis biggest flaw is that it is the first Trek film where they really planned on coming back one last time...and then don't. Ending (especially chronologically) on precisely the note Star Trek and particularly Tng should not have.
And it was screwed by awful decisions, that for once actually did kill it stone dead.
 
I dunno, I hadn't thought of the dracula connotations either, but the whole Troi arc in the movie now makes thematic sense, with Dracula and Frankenstein allusions.
I agree that Dracula may have influenced that subplot, I'm just saying that without Ron Perlman dressed as Nosferatu we probably wouldn't have noticed!

It always made sense in a cheap thematic way that Riker fights the viceroy, (first officer versus chief henchman) but that makes it make more sense too. (the bottomless pit has always made sense btw, you just have to to think a bit and literally tilt your head)
Wow, you are saying they are actually fighting in the walls of the ship? Interesting idea.
 
I agree that Dracula may have influenced that subplot, I'm just saying that without Ron Perlman dressed as Nosferatu we probably wouldn't have noticed!


Wow, you are saying they are actually fighting in the walls of the ship? Interesting idea.

It's the hole the remans punched in when they boarded possibly, (shock troops and all that, and they didn't beam in because beaming straight to the bridge or engineering would have been their thing) and I always assumed it was somewhere at the bottom of the ship or by the massive deuterium tanks starships tend to have. Theres no up in space, and it's definitely an engineering deck not a crew area, so why would the gravity be aligned or even turned on there? The regent was sucked out into starlight...literally burned in the sun as it were since we can now see the Dracula/Nosferatu stuff...after Jonathan (frakes as Harker) beats him for what he did to his wife (can go all patriarchy about that, but given that Dracula is already subversive about that and the Riker Troi relationship is already established and not rolling in that kind of thing...I will give Riker avenging his wife a strong pass on applying gender politics on this occasion. Ymmv)

I won't lie, it didn't make sense until a few minutes after the scene, but it does make sense. It was just shot in a way that leans too much on the bottomless pit trope instead of making it clear. The big giveaway is is all the running and sliding through the Jeffries tubes during the fight.

Now I could be wrong, and I don't forgive other flaws (the Argo scenes in particular) and I don't think I have managed to sit through it since the first time I saw it on Dvd (their marketing campaign failed to sell it to a long time trek fan that enterprise had finally turned away from the franchise but would have returned for a good Tng movie) but have watched it in pieces.

Odd how not many people notice the Arthur references, or don't mention them. Shinzons death is an obvious Mordred reference. It's one of the things that really stops Data's death working, as it's all over the place thematically. Camelot, Picard's crew of highly idealised Knights really does end here though. And with it a fair chunk of what people insist on calling 'genes dream'
After this, enterprise descends into post 9/11 gritty military stuff, and it became harder not to see it as a bit of an Sg1 clone.
Picard should have died as Stewart wanted (did him and Spiner toss a coin for the death scene?) and Riker should have become captain of the enterprise instead of Titan as a result. Picard's sacrifice would give weight to a peace with the Romulans in precisely the way Data's wouldn't.
Heck...I am not a fan of the idea, But Sela would have made sense as a morgaine like figure with personal stakes behind Shinzons whole Genesis. Maybe that's how their idea started.
 
Actually, I'd have been more motivated to see Nemesis if Sela was one of the Romulans that Shinzon melted in the beginning. That should have made it into the previews.

And since she was an established nasty, it might have made Shinzon seem like not that bad of a guy, which I think they were trying to do?
Actually, I'm not sure what they were trying to do with him.
Sela dying = good, that I'm sure of.

Even though I think Insurrection is worse, at least it didn't make me think of other, better movies while it was on. During Nemesis, I got a strong urge to watch Mad Max in there and wished that was what I was watching instead. Then later when they were running around the Death Star hiding from the Stormtroopers, er, the Scimitar hiding from the Remans, well, nevermind.
 
Could Tom Hardy playing Shinzon have anything to do with your wanting to watch a Mad Max movie instead?
 
Just no. You want to guarantee Nemesis sells even fewer tickets, put Denise Crosby in it as the central villain. :lol:

I quite agree. Nothing wrong with a gentle recast though...;) as I said, I am not really pro the idea, popular in some quarters though it is, storyline wise...that sort of thing would help.
 
People rip on the Nemesis script for being "fanwank," but most of the ideas I've seen from fans on how they would make it better are far, far worse.

That's not really my idea on how to make it better. Just how having someone with a personal relationship to Picard having put the Shinzon thing in motion, it being a mother figure with some serious hate for Picard, who knows him well, ties into the Mordred thing they are going for in the movie as it stands. Could be a totally new character, a spurned lover etc.
Whether or not that is actually any good is a different idea.

Am pretty sure Stewart and Spiner would get behind flashbacks to their mission to Romulus and Picard meeting some pretty Romulan

Well ok.
Maybe just Stewart at the time. ;)
 
Then later when they were running around the Death Star hiding from the Stormtroopers, er, the Scimitar hiding from the Remans, well, nevermind.
If they are not running up and down corridors with sliding doors, then frankly it's not sci-fi.

:p


Certainly in TOS they never snuck round enemy corridors, or tried to open a door. Er, what?
 
If they are not running up and down corridors with sliding doors, then frankly it's not sci-fi.

:p


Certainly in TOS they never snuck round enemy corridors, or tried to open a door. Er, what?

And let's nor forget that the biggest sin of Insurrection is that it contained zero vent shafts, or anything even approaching a vent shaft. Nor did Wrath of Khan or Search for Spock, and they are poorer for it.
TMP has open access panels with people reaching in so it scrapes a pass. IV has a chase through a corridor full of machinery, so it scores a mixed pass.
 
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