Enterprise XI ship features, more than TOS, less than TNG?

[number6]

Re: Enterprise XI ship features, more than TOS, less than TN

Not once in that article did they refer to Cheers as being "cancelled." In fact in the press conference announcing the last season of Cheers, the decision was arrived by the people involved, much to the disappointment and surprise of the network. The same can be said for TNG DS9 and VOY.. All those series ended when they were still very popular. They certainly didn't end because no one was watching, or couldn't find an audience, like most of the other series mentioned in that article.

 

[Sharr Khan]

Re: Enterprise XI ship features, more than TOS, less than TN

It's a sad fact of life and prime-time television, where a show can last a few episodes (like last season's crime drama Smith) or 11 seasons (like the comedy Cheers), that everything must eventually end. But when darkness comes in Hollywood, don't expect a plainly worded news bulletin about it.

That whole paragraph implies a shows ending equals "getting canceled but networks just don't like using the term..." there's little other way not to read it like that.

But that's still beside the point: Cancellation isn't defined as a shows premature end, just its end.

From Wiki:

In some situations, a television series may be revived years after being cancelled. Often this is in the form of a spin-off show featuring new characters (such as Star Trek: The Next Generation which premiered twenty years after the original series went off the air). Doctor Who, which was cancelled by the BBC in 1989, was brought back in 2005 as a continuation of the original run of shows. Both franchises also produced spin-off films in the periods they were cancelled.

"Cancelled" is clearly being used to mean "End of a shows run" in those examples it is clearer in the Doctor Who example.

Sharr

 

[number6]

Re: Enterprise XI ship features, more than TOS, less than TN

Except that those shows were cancelled. Shows such as Cheers, Mary Tyler Moore, MASH, TNG were not. The decision to end the show was voluntarily arrived at by the producers of those show, not by the network or poor ratings.

 

[Aragorn]

Re: Enterprise XI ship features, more than TOS, less than TN

Voyager popular?

 

[Woulfe]

Re: Enterprise XI ship features, more than TOS, less than TN

It was.... If only for a little while.... Maybe....
Okay.... I'll go hide behind that mountain over there....

- W -
* Wimpers softly.... It wasn't really THAT bad yanno *

 

[LoneStranger]

Re: Enterprise XI ship features, more than TOS, less than TN

From Greg Fuller's Ratings article back in 1999:

Voyager, on the other hand, has very little that it can brag about. That's not because Voyager is an awful, unpopular show, but because it's on an awful, unpopular network. Voyager can only do as well as UPN because of Voyager's status as a network show. UPN has been losing stations since day one and is now only airing in a little over 60 percent of the nation, meaning that Voyager is competing in a very crowded market with both hands tied behind its back. For its disadvantages, Voyager has still managed to remain UPN's top show. However, Voyager will never be able to perform near the level of its predecessors so long as it drags the carcass of UPN wherever it goes. That's not the sign of viewers losing interest in Trek, it's the sign that viewers aren't interested in UPN.

While Voyager may not be everyone's favorite Trek, it fought an losing battle compared to the previous shows.

 

[Sharr Khan]

Re: Enterprise XI ship features, more than TOS, less than TN

Number6 said:
Except that those shows were cancelled. Shows such as Cheers, Mary Tyler Moore, MASH, TNG were not. The decision to end the show was voluntarily arrived at by the producers of those show, not by the network or poor ratings.

Your missing my point: Cancelled doesn't mean the "premature end of the show" or even that a network chose or the creators themselves chose to pull the plug. It simply means "no more episodes are bing ordered".

In the end *all shows are cancelled* even by the shows runners themselves.

Was B5 cancelled? It ran its *intended 5 years* - JMS seems to still think that adds up to being "cancelled". I'll rely on the producers use of the term thanks.

I think we're arguing variations of a definition here. You seem to use it to mean: "A show can only be cancelled when its rating are low and the network pulls the plug" in something of a pejorative sense at that.

The term as I've seen it used though only is intended to mean "No more episodes are being ordered" for whatever motivation behind that choice.

Sharr

 

[Woulfe]

Re: Enterprise XI ship features, more than TOS, less than TN

UPN did more harm then good to Star Trek.

TNG, did great, due to being in Syndication, really.
DS9, did good, also due to being in Syndication.
VOY, did okay, it could of done better, but UPN didn't seem to care even though it was their anchor show.
To this day i'm surprised at all the shows that ran along with VOY that got dropped like a hot potato by UPN even though the shows would of been a success had they'd stayed on UPN in the first place.
ENT, did awful, UPN stuck their nose in it too far.

If anything what UPN has let us learn is that Star Trek should never be on Network Television, hum didn't we learn that ages ago actually ?

- W -
* Sad but true *