It's been a while since I’ve watched Generations... I never put much thought to it, but what do you imagine Starfleet did with the remains of the 1701-D on Veridian III? Sunken ships in today’s terms are left as a memorial; and in those cases the loss of life is usually staggering. Did anyone even lose their life in the crash? I can't imagine they would have left state of the art technology just sitting around for anyone to come take a look at. Do you think they stripped out any reusable technology? Did they had the entire ship scraped, sent to some kind of junk yard for recycling? Or was she left intact as a homage?
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I think Picard says that there is no loss of life in the crash. I'm not sure about the wreckage. I'm not sure if they mention what happened to it. I can't imagine that Starfleet is going to leave too much of it lying around. Although they did seem to leave the Stargazer lying around for anyone to find.
^They didn't know where to find the Stargazer. I was given the impression they thought it was destroyed or lost for good.
As for the good ol' Enterprise D, I'd say they would have to clean up before the inhabitants of Veridian IV develop the ability to send unmanned and manned spacecraft to Veridian III.
As for the good ol' Enterprise D, I'd say they would have to clean up before the inhabitants of Veridian IV develop the ability to send unmanned and manned spacecraft to Veridian III.
I believe Picard mentioned in his log that nobody was killed in the crash and injuries were minor. As far as the E-D's remains, I doubt that Starfleet would try to reclaim the saucer section. It would likely be unusable and would need to be scrapped so...
... Starfleet may have stripped the saucer section of all the classified technology, hazardous material, etc... and left the remainder of the hull there on the planet or nuked it from orbit (it's the only way to be sure!).
... Starfleet may have stripped the saucer section of all the classified technology, hazardous material, etc... and left the remainder of the hull there on the planet or nuked it from orbit (it's the only way to be sure!).
The Stargazer was lost in space. The crew abandoned ship. And traveled for weeks in escape pods. It's possible that that Starfleet just didn't find the Stargazer and presumed her destroyed in battle.
As for the 1701D I would imagine that since one other planet in the system was inhabited, Starfleet would have either tractored the saucer off the planet and/or completely dismantled it and transported it and any other piece they could find up into a ship and gone away.
It'd have been highly foolish of SF to leave the saucer sitting there. Precious technology could be found by other space-faring races who happedned across it or the Veridians would find it when they devlop a space program and discover it. (And how neat for them, another completely habitable and temperate planet exsists in their system!
Given the amazing technologies of SF and that they even BUILD starships on the ground (
) I think it'd be no porblem for them to tractor the saucer up and haul it away and maybe even clear away the trench/landing path it made.
Given the amazing technologies of SF and that they even BUILD starships on the ground (
) I think it'd be no porblem for them to tractor the saucer up and haul it away and maybe even clear away the trench/landing path it made.
The Shatner novels say that the ship was removed and a team from Starfleet came to refurbish the disturbed area to hide that anything had ever happened. Just filling in the trench wouldn't be enough - archeological examination would determine that had happened, unless other archeological experts carefully made sure they wouldn't.
^Perhaps, but since the population of Veridian IV seemed a bit low (230 Million) so I figured it would be at least a couple of thousand years (if their population/cultural/technology growth rate is same as it was in Earth's history) before they would be able to send a spacecraft. If so, all they would find is a hint of a crash site at the most. They might just determine it was a meteorite at an acute angle. The forest would have long since reclaimed it by then, probably. If so, there would be no need to cover up the path the saucer made.
Ah, but there's more than just the Veridians to consider. What if some low-rent Klingon wannabes (Orion pirates, maybe) come along and go ahead and make first contact with the Viridians, with no regard for anything like a Prime Directive, and they detect the aftereffects and tell 'em, "oh, btw, some other people have been monkeying around in your star system"?
And once the Veridians are advanced enough, that was more than a meteorite. What about thruster or impulse emissions that might have become part of the archeological record, for one example?
Plus, different cultures develop different technologies at different rates. I don't know if you watch Stargate, but there was a race on there that everyone assumed was primitive because they were actually advanced enough that they didn't appear to use the trappings of tech as we know it. For all we know, the Veridians used some sort of steampunkish space-orinthopters, and were watching them run around cleaning up!
Enterprise D Saucer: Those 3 ships that came to rescue the crew of the Enterprise, they would have gotten all the remaining shuttles out of main shuttle bay of the Enterprise, also retreive the cargo stuff (they have to) and most likely retrieve almost all of the furnitures, those computers on tables/desks (there are important informations on those...don't want them fallen into the wrong hands), padds (same reason with the computers) and all of the medical supplies & equipment from sickbay (most definately).
As for the saucer itself...thats a good question.
As for the saucer itself...thats a good question.
Judging from Picard's, "oh, well, we'll get another Enterprise -- in the next movie (wink)," nonchalant attitude toward his ship, they just left it behind and didn't think twice.
I wrote a short TNG story in highschool not long after seeing GEN. where Lursa and Be'tor managed to beam to Veridiian's surface before their BoP exploded and "somehow" managed to get the saucer up-and running and turned it into a battleship to hunt down and get revenge on Picard.
Starfleet would have brought the whole thing up.
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I'm sure there's salvage ships designed specifically to clean the remains of ships (Federation or otherwise) off of planets, moons and other interstellar bodies. It's a simple matter of beaming it away section-by section.
I would think they'd either remove, or destroy, the entire wrecked saucer section. It's not like it's out of reach from scavengers being sunken beneath the water (and even if it were underwater, the technology exists in the 24th century to still salvage it).
I can't see Starfleet knowingly leaving wrecked ships around for others to salvage the tech from--especially with SF's non-interference policy with low-tech lifeforms.
Sean
I can't see Starfleet knowingly leaving wrecked ships around for others to salvage the tech from--especially with SF's non-interference policy with low-tech lifeforms.
Sean
They would remove whatever was left behind,most likely by the COE.
I doubt those 3 ships got that much. I've always assumed that a clean up was an eventual necessity if not an immediate priority. The 3 ships that depart together probably only removed the survivors, those shuttles, all items known to be immediate security risks (maybe even the ship's computer cores) and anything that might be known to be environmental risks to the planet's ecology. Anything else like furniture and tables would be flotsam for another clean up team that could arrive soon to take care of the mess. The remains of the saucer section could easily be tractored back into space, if not all together, in pieces. Security teams could have gone through and vaporized or damaged beyond repair anything that could be reversed engineered into a security breach.
Yeah, maybe not all of it but just the most important stuff. Maybe not bother with the furniture though.
He did mention that "casualties were light". I'm not an expert on military vocabulary, but doesn't the word "casualty" refer to deaths? If so, them there was some "light" number of deaths. In TMP, Kirk first referred to Decker and Ilia as "casualties" until he corrected it to "missing".
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