Enterprise Timeline

[jgdst]

I'm hoping this doesn't cause too much controversy, just some honest discussion - and without turning into SpoilerFest 08

I woke up in the middle of the night last night after having some kind of epiphany about Enterprise, and by extension, Trek XI. Well, two epiphanies. The first was that I seriously need better dreams.

I remembered that Daniels tells Archer that there never was any Xindi attack on Earth - history has no record of it. Archer stops the weapon, but seven million people are still dead, and off the crew go. With seven million people dead. And history still has no record of it. This doesn't change. Even after the Temporal Cold War is resolved.

So this means that everything after the teaser for The Expanse is part of a whole new alternative timeline, doesn't it? With Trek XI looking so different and causing so much controversy among the canon fans, could it not be possible that in fact all TOS and TNG era Trek has been written off and that Trek XI is a product of the new timeline?

I've actively been avoiding spoliers, so this has probably already been answered. If it has... allow me to live in ignorance for another five months. Pretty please?

 

[TheRealNaveed]

Enterprise was on an alternate timeline to begin with. Don't forget, it launched weeks earlier than it was supposed to in the original timeline, perhaps severely altering its future, and that of the Federation. I've always considered Enterprise to be "Timeline B", and the new movie to be, perhaps, "Timeline B" as well, or "Timeline C".

 

[Spocktapus]

Personally, when it became clear that Enterprise wasn't going to reset all the changes to the timeline that had happened over the years, I started believing that it was Daniels' future that was the alternate timeline, and that the changes created the TOS-TNG timeline.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Personally, when it became clear that Enterprise wasn't going to reset all the changes to the timeline that had happened over the years, I started believing that it was Daniels' future that was the alternate timeline, and that the changes created the TOS-TNG timeline.

This

 

[c0rnedfr0g]

Personally, when it became clear that Enterprise wasn't going to reset all the changes to the timeline that had happened over the years, I started believing that it was Daniels' future that was the alternate timeline, and that the changes created the TOS-TNG timeline.

i agree as well. but whether it was Timeline A or B, it wouldn't really matter since it was still the beginning of Starfleet and so its not like that much could be different at this point (down the line, sure, but not then i don't think, unless you think 7 million people matter)

 

[Nebusj]

I remembered that Daniels tells Archer that there never was any Xindi attack on Earth - history has no record of it. Archer stops the weapon, but seven million people are still dead, and off the crew go. With seven million people dead. And history still has no record of it. This doesn't change. Even after the Temporal Cold War is resolved.

Do remember that Daniels can't be trusted and is more likely the agent of chaos and destruction than the savior of the future. It's Silik and Future Guy who're on the side of the angels.

 

[c0rnedfr0g]

I remembered that Daniels tells Archer that there never was any Xindi attack on Earth - history has no record of it. Archer stops the weapon, but seven million people are still dead, and off the crew go. With seven million people dead. And history still has no record of it. This doesn't change. Even after the Temporal Cold War is resolved.

Do remember that Daniels can't be trusted and is more likely the agent of chaos and destruction than the savior of the future. It's Silik and Future Guy who're on the side of the angels.

what if Daniels WAS Future Guy???? i could totally see B&B pulling that, irregardless of whether it made sense with all the prior episodes or not.

WHAT A TWIST

 

[jgdst]

I remembered that Daniels tells Archer that there never was any Xindi attack on Earth - history has no record of it. Archer stops the weapon, but seven million people are still dead, and off the crew go. With seven million people dead. And history still has no record of it. This doesn't change. Even after the Temporal Cold War is resolved.

Do remember that Daniels can't be trusted and is more likely the agent of chaos and destruction than the savior of the future. It's Silik and Future Guy who're on the side of the angels.

what if Daniels WAS Future Guy???? i could totally see B&B pulling that, irregardless of whether it made sense with all the prior episodes or not.

WHAT A TWIST

I believe the last twist they pulled was ALIEN NAZI DUDE at the end of Zero Hour. I think the fans may have physically revolted if Daniels was the one doing the pseudo-Romulan-in-the-shadows impression

In conclusion, I think you're right, it probably would've turned out to be Daniels.

Hold on... did we just cross the Thread barrier here into a previous topic? Scary stuff.

 

[arch101]

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I remembered that Daniels tells Archer that there never was any Xindi attack on Earth - history has no record of it. Archer stops the weapon, but seven million people are still dead, and off the crew go. With seven million people dead. And history still has no record of it. This doesn't change. Even after the Temporal Cold War is resolved.

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I'm with ya. I've been reiterating this fact all over this board for months in relation to

Spoiler: the movie

what we are seeing from the new film. I, too, believe we will see TOS in the altered Enterprise timeline. The deal maker will be wether or not the writers have old Spock recognize any changes.

 

[Ethros]

^ Yeah, because JJ and co really did that on purpose didn't they?
[Borat]Not![/Borat]

Personally, when it became clear that Enterprise wasn't going to reset all the changes to the timeline that had happened over the years, I started believing that it was Daniels' future that was the alternate timeline, and that the changes created the TOS-TNG timeline.

I agree with this too, ENT always happened the way it did. All these alternate timelines, timeline changes theories and whatnot just get very confusing and very annoying

 

[c0rnedfr0g]

All these alternate timelines, timeline changes theories and whatnot just get very confusing and very annoying

TIMELINE?! THIS IS NO TIME TO ARGUE ABOUT TIME! WE DON'T HAVE THE TIME!... what was I saying??

 

[Hopeful Romantic]

Please keep in mind that the OP specifically asked that movie spoilers not be posted here, if possible.

And so have the moderators.

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[dave_R_treker]

I remembered that Daniels tells Archer that there never was any Xindi attack on Earth - history has no record of it. Archer stops the weapon, but seven million people are still dead, and off the crew go. With seven million people dead. And history still has no record of it. This doesn't change. Even after the Temporal Cold War is resolved.

Do remember that Daniels can't be trusted and is more likely the agent of chaos and destruction than the savior of the future. It's Silik and Future Guy who're on the side of the angels.

what if Daniels WAS Future Guy???? i could totally see B&B pulling that, irregardless of whether it made sense with all the prior episodes or not.

WHAT A TWIST

I may be wrong, but didn't Voyage have an episode like that. Relativity I think, it was Captian Braxton.

^ Yeah, because JJ and co really did that on purpose didn't they?
[Borat]Not![/Borat]

Personally, when it became clear that Enterprise wasn't going to reset all the changes to the timeline that had happened over the years, I started believing that it was Daniels' future that was the alternate timeline, and that the changes created the TOS-TNG timeline.

I agree with this too, ENT always happened the way it did. All these alternate timelines, timeline changes theories and whatnot just get very confusing and very annoying

I hate temporal mechanics.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

All these alternate timelines, timeline changes theories and whatnot just get very confusing and very annoying

TIMELINE?! THIS IS NO TIME TO ARGUE ABOUT TIME! WE DON'T HAVE THE TIME!... what was I saying??

You're drunk.

 

[SG-17]

If I remember correctly, every time someone travels back in time an alternate universe is created from the point of destination. So all through out Star Trek new universes and as such new time lines were being created every time time travel was used.
So we cannot be really sure of anything in Star Trek.