ENTERPRISE SEASON 5 (Netflix)

[Hober Mallow]

Didn't DS9 prove that wars can't be fought in two hours?

It also proved that war doesn't necessarily get ratings.

It was so bad that it dragged down Voyager along with, while still remaining the top syndicated show.

You seem to have misunderstood. I didn't say war stories hurt DS9's ratings, I said they didn't help the show's ratings. And they didn't. DS9's best-rated season was its first; the later seasons were its worst.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

^However you parse it, it has been well analyzed.

 

[Hober Mallow]

^However you parse it, it has been well analyzed.

What's been "well-analyzed?"

I'm not trying to be a douche, but your response, apparently meant to rebut my point, ended up supporting it.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

^The contraction of the syndicated TV market has been well analyzed. It's causes are known, its effects are known. Suffice to say that the same phenomena happened to all the top syndicated programs--Baywatch, Babylon 5, Xena, Hercules, etc.

 

[Hober Mallow]

^The contraction of the syndicated TV market has been well analyzed. It's causes are known, its effects are known. Suffice to say that the same phenomena happened to all the top syndicated programs--Baywatch, Babylon 5, Xena, Hercules, etc.

None of which has anything to do with my point. I wasn't arguing that war stories (or anything at all) caused a drop in DS9's ratings.

 

[BillJ]

^The contraction of the syndicated TV market has been well analyzed. It's causes are known, its effects are known. Suffice to say that the same phenomena happened to all the top syndicated programs--Baywatch, Babylon 5, Xena, Hercules, etc.

None of which has anything to do with my point. I wasn't arguing that war stories (or anything at all) caused a drop in DS9's ratings.

Well all I know, is that DS9's continual focus on the war (and the fact that it was really dull) drove this viewer away and I had been watching Trek since 1975.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

^They nearly made that Romulan War movie in 2008. It was cancelled after a regime change at Paramount and the reigns of Trek were given to J.J. Abrams.

Here is a review of the first-draft script, entitled Star Trek: The Beginning. It starred an ancestor of James T. Kirk, named Tiberius Chase.

Didn't DS9 prove that wars can't be fought in two hours?

It also proved that war doesn't necessarily get ratings.

^The contraction of the syndicated TV market has been well analyzed. It's causes are known, its effects are known. Suffice to say that the same phenomena happened to all the top syndicated programs--Baywatch, Babylon 5, Xena, Hercules, etc.

None of which has anything to do with my point. I wasn't arguing that war stories (or anything at all) caused a drop in DS9's ratings.

It was more apropos than your original response to my point about story.

 

[Johnny Rico]

Very interesting post and comment thread on the ENT Season 5 Netflix FB page today....

NX-01.5 refit post

They post a pic of the new Refit NX-01.5 which is EXACTLY like the official Doug Drexler design and there are some rather interesting, yet very ignorant comments from a few folks following the pic. It's rather amusing really as to the negative comments by those who don't like what this Netflix design team has done...er, what really hasn't been done to the ship. As you'll see, I kind of set the biggest critic straight mentioning the Drexler design.

 

[ChristopherPike]

It still amazes me how a schematic for the NX refit snuck its way on the Blu ray menu screens!

Anyhow, fantastic that there's a Facebook campaign. I mean if it only achieved a single "Season 5" adventure made... somehow... then put out there on iTunes or Netflix... Clearly the whole cast gathering for that In Conversation piece for the Season 2 set, likely means they'd do so again for the right script and proof the SFX underpinning the whole thing doesn't let the side down.

 

[LOKAI of CHERON]

^The contraction of the syndicated TV market has been well analyzed. It's causes are known, its effects are known. Suffice to say that the same phenomena happened to all the top syndicated programs--Baywatch, Babylon 5, Xena, Hercules, etc.

None of which has anything to do with my point. I wasn't arguing that war stories (or anything at all) caused a drop in DS9's ratings.

Well all I know, is that DS9's continual focus on the war (and the fact that it was really dull) drove this viewer away and I had been watching Trek since 1975.

Yep, same here.

I still like DS9 well enough, but the painfully protracted and tedious war became the primary contributory factor in placing the show at the bottom of my favoured Trek's as it were.

 

[borgboy]

i thought the Dominon War was great. The early seasons in retrospect were building up to that so that the whole series does create, more or less, a very cohesive bigger story.

 

[BillJ]

Very interesting post and comment thread on the ENT Season 5 Netflix FB page today....

NX-01.5 refit post

They post a pic of the new Refit NX-01.5 which is EXACTLY like the official Doug Drexler design and there are some rather interesting, yet very ignorant comments from a few folks following the pic. It's rather amusing really as to the negative comments by those who don't like what this Netflix design team has done...er, what really hasn't been done to the ship. As you'll see, I kind of set the biggest critic straight mentioning the Drexler design.

I'm not a fan of the design. They are taking something that has a unique look and trying to shoehorn it into the TOS aesthetic essentially ruining the sleekness of the NX-01 design.

 

[Hober Mallow]

None of which has anything to do with my point. I wasn't arguing that war stories (or anything at all) caused a drop in DS9's ratings.

Well all I know, is that DS9's continual focus on the war (and the fact that it was really dull) drove this viewer away and I had been watching Trek since 1975.

Yep, same here.

Same here, although we're definitely in the minority.

 

[dub]

i thought the Dominon War was great. The early seasons in retrospect were building up to that so that the whole series does create, more or less, a very cohesive bigger story.

Same here.

 

[Newspaper Taxi]

I enjoyed Enterprise deeply, but I think we've just got to let it go. We're nearly to the ten-year anniversary of it's cancellation. If we do get a NetFlix original Star Trek series it would be better to start fresh and go somewhere new.

 

[Shaka Zulu]

What is the availability problems with Firefly?

Everyone is busy, Joss is making comic book movies for the next several years and Nathan Fillion is doing Castle.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Gina Torres tired of sci-fi?

 

[Shaka Zulu]

I am absolutely fed up with ABC, NBC, CBS....etc. I am more interested in the productions, and quality of productions, from places like AMC or HBO and Showtime.

What if Star Trek were in the hands of AMC and their production quality? I think people in general would embrace Star Trek moving to a cable production rather than leave the series in network limbo (who are more interested in reality/bullshit TV).

You said it. Let's face it, the only reason CBS won't make a new Star Trek show is because of the above-mentioned by you, plus all of the crime shows that they have now.

Somebody mentioned the kind of shows that are on the networks now (in particular, one popular sitcom that's on CBS) is why the USA is such a mean society:

One of the most popular shows on television is CBS' "Two and a Half Men". And I've often wondered at its popularity.

It is a very well-written and acted show, as far as it goes. But if you watch it for any length of time, you come away with a wretched taste in your mouth. It is, without a doubt, a show with characters who have no redeeming qualities. Everyone is gleefully mean to everyone else, reveling in cutting barbs and casual humiliation. Obviously, it's a comedy painted in broad strokes, as sitcoms normally are. However, if you watch it on your local station in reruns before the prime time schedule comes on, you'll be forgiven for wondering why anyone should give a damn about what happens to any of the show's characters.

And yet, for more than a decade it has been one of the most popular shows on television. Before Charlie Sheen melted down, he was the highest paid actor on TV thanks to it. Millions of people tune in to watch a weekly display of dysfunction so severe that suspension of disbelief becomes increasingly difficult.

The new meanness

If that isn't a good reason/rationale for Enterprise or any other Star Trek show to be on network TV, I don't know what is.

 

[BillJ]

Somebody mentioned the kind of shows that are on the networks now (in particular, one popular sitcom that's on CBS) is why the USA is such a mean society:

One of the most popular shows on television is CBS' "Two and a Half Men". And I've often wondered at its popularity.

It is a very well-written and acted show, as far as it goes. But if you watch it for any length of time, you come away with a wretched taste in your mouth. It is, without a doubt, a show with characters who have no redeeming qualities. Everyone is gleefully mean to everyone else, reveling in cutting barbs and casual humiliation. Obviously, it's a comedy painted in broad strokes, as sitcoms normally are. However, if you watch it on your local station in reruns before the prime time schedule comes on, you'll be forgiven for wondering why anyone should give a damn about what happens to any of the show's characters.

And yet, for more than a decade it has been one of the most popular shows on television. Before Charlie Sheen melted down, he was the highest paid actor on TV thanks to it. Millions of people tune in to watch a weekly display of dysfunction so severe that suspension of disbelief becomes increasingly difficult.

The new meanness

If that isn't a good reason/rationale for Enterprise or any other Star Trek show to be on network TV, I don't know what is.

They were saying the same thing about Seinfeld more than a decade ago.

 

[Shaka Zulu]

^And sadly, they were right (at least Seinfeld & Co. paid for what they did in the final episode.)

 

[BillJ]

^And sadly, they were right (at least Seinfeld & Co. paid for what they did in the final episode.)

Yet, Seinfeld was one of the funniest shows to ever air in the United States (in my opinion).

Sometimes we like to watch entertainment that plays to our darker impulses. It's why shows like Breaking Bad are so popular.