Enterprise or Voyager?

[Saquist]

Enterprise. To me, Voyager seemed too much like TNG in the Delta Quadrant while Enterprise was more in line with the TOS premise.

Was Voyager...supposed to mimic TOS?

Voyager Wins Hands Down!

1. Better cast or performances
2. Better ship that was unique looking
3. Better characters that were likable (I actually cared if they lived)
4. Didn't break major canon & start an online Trekkie Civil War
5. Believable universe or settings
6. Lasted seven seasons
7. Better Finale
8. The series had a goal from day one and stuck to it
9. Theme song was not painful to listen to
10. Seven of Nine was sexier and more believable than T'Pol

It pains me to say it....But YES, YES, YES....
The END GAME finale was "BETTER" than These are the Voyages. At least there was that small little twist at the end where you think they might have gone back to the Delta Quadrant. Blast you Berman and your fixation with Series Ending Time Shows!

 

[DevilEyes]

Voyager Wins Hands Down!

1. Better cast or performances
2. Better ship that was unique looking
3. Better characters that were likable (I actually cared if they lived)
4. Didn't break major canon & start an online Trekkie Civil War
5. Believable universe or settings
6. Lasted seven seasons
7. Better Finale
8. The series had a goal from day one and stuck to it
9. Theme song was not painful to listen to
10. Seven of Nine was sexier and more believable than T'Pol

1.) Both shows had an equally good cast/performances.
2.) I liked both ships.
3.) I know I'm in the minority, but I tend to like ENT's characters better.
4.) While ENT broke major fanon multiple times, it didn't break major canon any more than TNG, DS9, and VOY did.
5.) What wasn't believeable as opposed to VOY?
6.) Like so many here have already said, what difference does ENT only lasting four seasons make?
7.) Ok, I'll agree with you there 1000%.
8.) That did bother me about ENT, but not enough to like it less than VOY. And, VOY changed its premise at least once (though not as majorly as ENT) when they switched the Kazon for the Borg.
9.) It's certainly not my favorite theme, but I've never understood all the hate for ENT's theme song.
10.) I'll disagree there. T'Pol > Seven.

Agreed with Shran on all accounts except for 9), I think the song is awful - the vocals in particular - but that's what the mute button is for.

 

[Saquist]

I didn't find anything wrong with the song.
I think it has more to do with the Generation of people.

For me the lyrics had meaning and it was a good change that I wished they continued to do in the series by adding more current vocals in the show itself. But Faith of the Heart is a good Song....

Voyager's Theme is still far more Iconic.

 

[kathrynJaneway2]

VOYAGER is my fav. i couldn't h
get into enterprise at all. voyager as my vote all the way

 

[Saquist]

Looks like, by the end, only the hardcore Trekkies were still watching. According to that graph, ENT dropped below two million viewers!

And they're all here..............

 

[Luther Sloan]

1.) Both shows had an equally good cast/performances.
2.) I liked both ships.
3.) I know I'm in the minority, but I tend to like ENT's characters better.
4.) While ENT broke major fanon multiple times, it didn't break major canon any more than TNG, DS9, and VOY did.
5.) What wasn't believeable as opposed to VOY?
6.) Like so many here have already said, what difference does ENT only lasting four seasons make?
7.) Ok, I'll agree with you there 1000%.
8.) That did bother me about ENT, but not enough to like it less than VOY. And, VOY changed its premise at least once (though not as majorly as ENT) when they switched the Kazon for the Borg.
9.) It's certainly not my favorite theme, but I've never understood all the hate for ENT's theme song.
10.) I'll disagree there. T'Pol > Seven.

Admiral:

Yeah, it seems like we are just wired totally differently on this one. In fact, I wish I was a Vulcan so I could mind meld just how bad Enterprise really is sometimes. But everyone has their own experiences and opinions. And that's totally cool.

 

[DevilEyes]

Admiral:

Yeah, it seems like we are just wired totally differently on this one. In fact, I wish I was a Vulcan so I could mind meld just how bad Enterprise really is sometimes. But everyone has their own experiences and opinions. And that's totally cool.

What if it worked the other way and he mind melded you why Enterprise is good?

 

[RandyS]

I refuse to vote on the grounds that whatever I say will cause my sanity to be called into question.

 

[kimc]

Voyager, although Porthos sure is cute.

 

[Rojixus]

I could catch hell for this, but I have to say Enterprise. While Voyager wasn't a terrible show, it was completely bland and relatively irrelevant. At least Enterprise took a risk and tried to be different. While some people just couldn't handle that concept and have had an irrational hatred of it from day one, I was willing to give Enterprise a chance. In its final season, Enterprise was far more compelling than all seven seasons of Voyager. While the first two seasons of Enterprise weren't as good as its last two, I seem to recall the first two seasons of TNG were lacking in quality. I just don't see a difference. If people would have given Enterprise the same chance they gave the other spin-offs, Enterprise would have lasted seven seasons as well.

 

[Scotty]

I enjoy watching Enterprise less and less as time goes by. The show seems so dated, compared to other (sci-fi) dramas at the time. And the show has only been of the air for 5 years.

Voyager had more potential, sure. But during its 7 year run it introduced some memorable new Trek characters and races and told some superb sci-fi stories. But most important of all, Voyager's characters were likeable and actually developed over the years. The last of the real Trek series, that wasn't afraid to have Star Trek in the title.

 

[Spork111]

I enjoy watching Enterprise less and less as time goes by. The show seems so dated, compared to other (sci-fi) dramas at the time. And the show has only been of the air for 5 years.

Interesting. Dated in what way? I would agree that the theme song will date (and perhaps already dates) the show, but I sense you're talking about something more substantive. Is it the whole 9/11 allegory with the Xindi?

 

[DevilEyes]

I enjoy watching Enterprise less and less as time goes by. The show seems so dated, compared to other (sci-fi) dramas at the time. And the show has only been of the air for 5 years.

Interesting. Dated in what way? I would agree that the theme song will date (and perhaps already dates) the show, but I sense you're talking about something more substantive. Is it the whole 9/11 allegory with the Xindi?

The theme song was outdated when the show aired, it sounds like an 80s 'sweet metal' ballad. But as for the rest, I don't know what is supposedly dated now.

Wars, terrorism and surprise attacks happen all the time, it's hardly a storyline that can date, unless there is a complete peace on Earth and in the galaxy some day.

 

[Luther Sloan]

What if it worked the other way and he mind melded you why Enterprise is good?

DE:

Well, he would actually have to mind wipe me first before doing the mind meld in order for that to work. But that would be more of a mind rape then an actual mild meld though.

 

[TheGodBen]

Well, he would actually have to mind wipe me first before doing the mind meld in order for that to work. But that would be more of a mind rape then an actual mild meld though.

Good news then! Enterprise has Vulcan mind rapes.

 

[Admiral Shran]

Well, he would actually have to mind wipe me first before doing the mind meld in order for that to work. But that would be more of a mind rape then an actual mild meld though.

Good news then! Enterprise has Vulcan mind rapes.

Spock did it to Valeris as well. I guess I would be in good company.

 

[Anwar]

And Mirror Spock did it to McCoy, though McCoy got over it a lot faster than most others.

 

[DevilEyes]

Didn't Prime Universe Spock mentally force himself on McCoy when he transferred his katra to him?

Tuvok got very rough with that guy in Random Thoughts, sure there was the initial consent, but at that point the guy obviously wasn't enjoying it anymore and seemed to be in pain, which seemed to be Tuvok's intention anyway.

Then there's also Mirror T'Pol mind-raping Mirror Trip.

Sakonna was less successful in her attempt to use "mind rape" as an interrogation technique, and I think Dukat was the only intended victim who was able to resist?

 

[Yokazuna]

I enjoy watching Enterprise less and less as time goes by. The show seems so dated, compared to other (sci-fi) dramas at the time. And the show has only been of the air for 5 years.

Voyager had more potential, sure. But during its 7 year run it introduced some memorable new Trek characters and races and told some superb sci-fi stories. But most important of all, Voyager's characters were likeable and actually developed over the years. The last of the real Trek series, that wasn't afraid to have Star Trek in the title.

Voyager had more potential but wasted it. Examples would include Janeway and Chakotay. Enterprise did more with less, so I had to vote for Enterprise.

 

[Scotty]

I enjoy watching Enterprise less and less as time goes by. The show seems so dated, compared to other (sci-fi) dramas at the time. And the show has only been of the air for 5 years.

Interesting. Dated in what way? I would agree that the theme song will date (and perhaps already dates) the show, but I sense you're talking about something more substantive. Is it the whole 9/11 allegory with the Xindi?

Back in 2001 the television landscape had changed significantly. TV drama was becoming faster, edgier and more daring. In that year, besides ENT, shows like 24, Alias and The Shield premiered. Even though these are vastly different shows, they approached their subject in a different way and thereby reinvigorating the genre.

When Voyager ended we were promised a different Trek show. "Not your father's Trek". A more adult and edgy version of Trek. What we got was unremarkable, glacially-paced and often very juvenile (the decon chambre for example). The writers added more swearing and skin, but didn't add any maturity nor improve the quality of the writing. In essence, they continued to make Trek as they had done the past 15 years (only not as good). There was nothing adult or edgy about ENT. The creative team was stuck in a rut and didn't know how to get out of it.

When I look at Enterprise's first season episodes now, I can't help but notice how slow the pace is, how stiff the dialogue is delivered, how unimaginative the directing, the score and the production design is. And that is what I mean by dated. While other shows were changing the landscape of television, the team behind Enterprise were reheating old Trek stories and repackaging them so we would think it was something new. The difference became increasingkly obvious when compared to shows like Farscape (incredibly fast-paced, daring, just completely bonkers) and later BSG (dark, adult, innovative). Enterprise may not have been my father's Trek. But it most certainly was last decade's Trek.