Discussion in 'Star Trek: The Next Generation' started by TroiFan4ever, May 27, 2023.
I voted the E.
I can't say that I agree that the D looks more advanced. It looks different than the D. The D looks like a ceremonial ship. Albeit one that can deliver a hard punch, which it has done when needed. It's a formidable ship. The E on the other hand looks like it was built for war, for action. It's no-nonsense. Seeing as how the E came after the D, I have to believe it is more advanced. Which one would win in a fight? Who knows.
As far as others not having a comparable ship, well that's a story device in many cases, nothing more. Besides, it's not like the D was never threatened by other ships. It certainly was and many times. The D'deridex class Romulan ship could go toe to toe with the D and certainly Picard and others never implied that those ships were not a threat to any Federation starship. I will agree that the Cardassians never seemed to have a class of ship as powerful as a Galaxy class starship.
The E definitely wins. That’s life. But it does not because it looks kewl.
Not if your plan is to be star trekking. The idea being, they are a crew of travelers that live between & amidst the stars. This is just all my personal perspective of course. Having the next evolution of Kirk's ship become more of a home in space seemed rather intuitive to me. They are more used to living out there.
I think the Ent-E looks like a “warfared up” Intrepid crossed with an Excelsior more than a successor to the Galaxy class Ent-D, but it’s a far better design than anything in modern era Trek, really. (If the Sovereign class had existed in current Trek, it’d probably literally be an Excelsior with some Intrepid/Voyager style greeblies added, and called Neo-Excelsior class or some such bollocks.)
To be honest I've always thought the Galaxy class was ugly on the outside, saucer is way too big and the nacelles are too small. So the E wins there by default.
The interiors of both look good. Still going with the E since there's a much more interesting color scheme with all the reds and browns, instead of all beige all the time. I do like the D's engineering best, like the big flashing core in the background.
^ I’m actually amazed how uninteresting a lot of the Engineering sets have been since TNG. Something about that woom woom woom sound and look of the core just really works.
can’t really agree on this: Voyager’s one really worked for me and Enterprise’s was nice new approach to the idea that also harked back to the TMP one. The Defiant engineering also conveyed the basic idea while being appropriately cramped for a warship. I don’t even remember if we ever saw the Discovery or SNW ones.
The lighting is balanced.
The D is vastly better and more original a design than the E, which is a kludge that never met a detail from some previous iteration that it didn't rip off love.
VOY’s reaction chamber looked like an after though and stood around where their feet were. The change from the white early seasons core to the blue later seasons seemed strange. And the lighting effect that they used on the inside seemed really cheap whenever the core stopped; when in motion it looked like this cauldron of unfathomably violent energies, but when it stopped it was a couple of light projectors that stopped twirling, projecting a pattern on the inside of the tube.
The Defiant’s I couldn’t stand. They were literally just walking on it, this giant un-popped zit. And it looked plasticky and cheap to me.
ENT was a bit creative, like a giant capsule you could drop through the floor if things went south, but eh. It didn’t seem alive and or particularly interesting to look at.
DSC and SNW did have them but apparently didn’t have much of an impression on you either. They were/are serviceable.
The E was this giant cathedral (which I also liked with VOY’s, though they did better with the second level) but it looks so lackluster…dull, dark, lifeless, impractical — how are you supposed to change the dilithium crystals when the reaction chamber is just hanging out 15 feet in the air?
As passionate as the replies are, I don't feel the ships can be fairly compared.
We lived with the D for 7 years and 1 movie. We have hours and hours of bottle episodes where the entire story is on the D. We've seen a lot that the D offers from quarters, lounges, bars, holodecks, arboretums and more.
In contrast, we only had the E for 3 movies. A good portion of those movies focused on locations other than the E. We barely saw any of the ship and we saw little to no relaxing areas the crew would want to spend off-duty hours.
The D was as much a character as Picard or Riker. The E was simply a location.
That said, I prefer the sleek design of the E. From certain angles the D is very cool but from other angles it looks odd and lopsided (top heavy). The D stardrive is ugly without the saucer.
Looks vs. livability.
It's just so comfy!
Never really liked the D and I still don't. So E.
It really depends on personal taste. The D is unlike any other design in terms of sheer bulk (until the Odyssey) and sleek aesthetic. The E is more of a tribute to the Connie Refit but more aggressive in nature, appearance and intent. I prefer the D because I grew up with my Dad watching TNG episodes on video from the age of 5, so that has a big part to place in my overt favouritism! I don't mind the E though, it served it's purpose and looked badass in it's battle scenes. Picard made the D maybe a bit too maneuverable. HOWEVER, the fact that they used the same kind of shield and warp effects in PIC just goes to show how much admiration and care went into showing off the D as the ultimate hero ship. They could have chosen to bring back the E instead to give some limelight and resolution but it just wouldn't have been the same. Oh and the D can shoot 20 torpedoes at once! Just sayin'. I'm surprised they didn't refit any of them with modern tech as I think they would be absolute tanks in combat, just a bit cumbersome (unless Data is at the helm ). The Ross Class continues the Galaxy's legacy in Canon and too a lesser degree the Sutherland. Long live the D!
Could not agree more.
Let's be Frank.
The Enterprise is Kirk's, Jefferies' Enterprise. Everything else is a derivation. The A is the the art-deco Enterprise, D is molten Enterprise because curves are futuristic and the E is pointy Enterprise because pointy is aggressive and the public likes the pew pew.
But yeah, D because D is for Deanna who crashes starships.
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