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Enterprise Command Structure

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Concerning McCoy in command, I recommend Diane Duane's excellent novel Doctor's Orders.

Thanks. That made me remember with a smile the great exchange between McCoy and the Klingon commander who called looking for Kirk. :D

I've always seen the structure as Kirk - Spock - Scotty - *insert regular or guest character as needed*

Scotty's my personal favourite after Kirk. Especially his parts in "A Taste of Armageddon" and "The Enterprise Incident".
 
I recently read about WW2 aircraft carriers with odd sounding command structures. On one ship the captain was a captain, the executive officer was a commander...as expected. However, the engineering chief was a captain (full-bird) as well. He was not in the command structure. The air chief was a commander with longer time in grade than the executive officer, but he wasn't in the command structure either. Yes, there was an admiral on board, but he was coordinating the larger fleet action.

Life in Star Fleet shouldn't be any less confusing.
 
I recently read about WW2 aircraft carriers with odd sounding command structures. On one ship the captain was a captain, the executive officer was a commander...as expected. However, the engineering chief was a captain (full-bird) as well. He was not in the command structure. The air chief was a commander with longer time in grade than the executive officer, but he wasn't in the command structure either. Yes, there was an admiral on board, but he was coordinating the larger fleet action.

Life in Star Fleet shouldn't be any less confusing.

The situation on aircraft carriers I think has to do simply with the sheer size of the damn things. The Captain of the ship is in charge of a ship carrying 5 to 6 thousand crew members. In effect, he is the person in charge of a floating base/camp/post with many different departments. There are going to be numerous chains of commands in those departments. The Captain of a carrier is normally a Captain by rank (O-6), but the head of the on board aviation might be a captain as well, but I doubt if he is in the same chain of command as the Captain/driver.

If you look at the Enterprise, with a much smaller complement, the command structure is going to be much more narrow. You might have a doctor, or head of a scientific department who outranks some of the "line" officers, but they would only take command under the most extreme circumstances, I would think. However, someone like Scotty would be serving both roles as opposed to automatically turning over command to someone less experienced. (Remember in ST 3 that Scotty was going to be promoted to four stripes and serve as "Captain of Engineering". It sounds like Excelsior would have been big enough to have separate chains of command)
 
McCoy's rank was a Lt. Commander in the series. In the movies he was a Commander if I'm not mistaken. I guess with his retirement before the motion picture he didn't make it to to the rank of Captain. I always though in the past he was a Captain right up there with Scotty, Kirk, and Spock. I wasn't aware of rank structure in TOS Starfleet. Not to mention they didn't pull rank on each other.
 
Let's not forget that there was a redshirt (non-speaking character) in the Briefing Room during "The Enterprise Incident" who wore the double-braid on his sleeve, making him a commander.

Let's also keep in mind that it looks like TOS' makers left the rank and chain-of-command and other issues flexible in TOS, possibly to leave wiggle room. Or maybe just because they didn't want Starfleet to be purely military. Starship crews do have a strong sense of professionalism and discipline, but they do not appear to be as military as Cold War armies and navies.

Was he head of Security? They never had a Chief Security Officer as a main character in the series. If Gold was command structure why didn't the Department chiefs wear gold?
 
Yeah, it's true that the CAG (Commander of the Air Group) is usually a Captain, but isn't part of the ship's chain of command. This is because the Air Wing and the Ship are two separate but inter-related commands. The CAG doesn't work FOR the ship's Commanding Officer, he only defers to the CO on "ship related" stuff.

On modern nuclear carriers, there are sometimes up to five or six people with the rank of Captain. The CO is always a Captain on a carrier, the XO usually gets selected to the position of XO while still a Commander but having already been selected for promotion to Captain, and becomes a Captain not long after arriving. The Reactor Officer is almost 100% of the time a more senior Captain than the XO is, and in fact already served as CO of a smaller ship, but is not a pilot and is therefore ineligible to serve as CO of a carrier.

When I was on the Nimitz, the following personnel were Captains (O-6):
The Commanding Officer
The Executive Officer
The Reactor Officer
The Navigator
The Senior Medical Officer
The Carrier Air Wing Commander

NOTE: On a nuclear surface ship (but not submarine), the "Reactor Officer" (or "RO") fulfills the same role that the "Chief Engineer" fulfills on a non-nuclear ship (or nuclear submarine). On a nuclear ship, there is still an officer called the "Chief Engineer" (or CHENG), but he basically overseas auxiliary things like plumbing and waste disposal. The "engines" as it were, fall under the RO. The CHENG does not report the RO. The CHENG and the RO are both Department Heads and therefore "peers", although the RO is typically a Captain and the CHENG is typically a Commander. On submarines, there is no RO, there is a Chief Engineer, and he fills the role that both the RO and the CHENG of a carrier would fill.
 
Yeah, it's true that the CAG (Commander of the Air Group) is usually a Captain, but isn't part of the ship's chain of command. This is because the Air Wing and the Ship are two separate but inter-related commands. The CAG doesn't work FOR the ship's Commanding Officer, he only defers to the CO on "ship related" stuff.

On modern nuclear carriers, there are sometimes up to five or six people with the rank of Captain. The CO is always a Captain on a carrier, the XO usually gets selected to the position of XO while still a Commander but having already been selected for promotion to Captain, and becomes a Captain not long after arriving. The Reactor Officer is almost 100% of the time a more senior Captain than the XO is, and in fact already served as CO of a smaller ship, but is not a pilot and is therefore ineligible to serve as CO of a carrier.

When I was on the Nimitz, the following personnel were Captains (O-6):
The Commanding Officer
The Executive Officer
The Reactor Officer
The Navigator
The Senior Medical Officer
The Carrier Air Wing Commander

NOTE: On a nuclear surface ship (but not submarine), the "Reactor Officer" (or "RO") fulfills the same role that the "Chief Engineer" fulfills on a non-nuclear ship (or nuclear submarine). On a nuclear ship, there is still an officer called the "Chief Engineer" (or CHENG), but he basically overseas auxiliary things like plumbing and waste disposal. The "engines" as it were, fall under the RO. The CHENG does not report the RO. The CHENG and the RO are both Department Heads and therefore "peers", although the RO is typically a Captain and the CHENG is typically a Commander. On submarines, there is no RO, there is a Chief Engineer, and he fills the role that both the RO and the CHENG of a carrier would fill.

Where is the Executive Officer, Air Commander, and The Navigator officer duty station at? Is it on the Bridge? Sorry I don't have any family serving in the Navy.
 
Was he head of Security? They never had a Chief Security Officer as a main character in the series. If Gold was command structure why didn't the Department chiefs wear gold?

It was a non-speaking role, and the commander was never identified or spoken to in that scene. He could've been just about anything a red-shirt could be.
 
Where is the Executive Officer, Air Commander, and The Navigator officer duty station at? Is it on the Bridge? Sorry I don't have any family serving in the Navy.

The Air Wing Commander's duty station is in his cockpit, flying his fighter plane, leading his Carrier Air Wing ;) Actually, I am not sure if the CAG actually flies anymore. I think his duty station is in the CATCC (Carrier Air Traffic Control Center), but I might be wrong about that.

During General Quarters, which is what the Navy's "battle stations" is called, the Executive Officer stations himself in a place called "Damage Control Central", while the Commanding Officer is on the bridge. DC Central acts sort of like the Enterprise NCC-1701-D's "battle bridge" in some respects. This was also my "duty station" during General Quarters. I was the combat electrical load dispatcher, responsible for ensuring that everything on the ship got power during combat, or prioritizing power consumption for combat systems.

I honestly am not sure exactly where the Navigator's duty station is during General Quarters. During normal operations, it's wherever the CO tells him to be.
 
Concerning McCoy in command, I recommend Diane Duane's excellent novel Doctor's Orders.

Thanks. That made me remember with a smile the great exchange between McCoy and the Klingon commander who called looking for Kirk. :D

I've always seen the structure as Kirk - Spock - Scotty - *insert regular or guest character as needed*

Scotty's my personal favourite after Kirk. Especially his parts in "A Taste of Armageddon" and "The Enterprise Incident".

I have always enjoyed the Scotty in command episodes. "Friday's Child" is another example of Scotty in command, "Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me."
 
Concerning McCoy in command, I recommend Diane Duane's excellent novel Doctor's Orders.

Yes, I am reading that one now. Halfway through, so far it is great! I wish an episode had been made showcasing the peculiar command style exhibited by McCoy in this novel! :techman:
 
I've seen countless episodes when Kirk & Spock beamed down to whatever planet they were visiting, Scotty had the bridge.

Kirk
Spock
Scotty (McCoy might be this rank but he's a doctor, not a command officer)
Sulu
Uhura
Checkov
 
Should be taken in to consideration that there might be other senior officers on other shifts that we've never seen.

I really don't think Chekov would be in the upper levels of the chain of command.
 
The Air Wing Commander's duty station is in his cockpit, flying his fighter plane, leading his Carrier Air Wing ;) Actually, I am not sure if the CAG actually flies anymore. I think his duty station is in the CATCC (Carrier Air Traffic Control Center), but I might be wrong about that.

Not wrong but that's not all there is to it. CAG still does fly- it's a flying billet. However, under the combined warfare commander concept that's been around since the Reagan era, the CAG is also the 'Strike Warfare Commander' for the battle group and has a whole staff assigned to him for strike planning purposes. This position is more about power projection (offensive operations) than force protection. So the modern day CAG wears a couple of hats, but he does still fly.

There's another guy aboard ship as well called the 'air element coordinator' or something like that whose job is to parcel out the entire battle group's air assets (to include the carrier air wing) on a daily basis to the various warfare commanders in the battle group based on mission requirements. For example, say on any given day you are going to send a SEAL team down range on some sort of mission, and there is a chance they might need close air support while they're at it. Simultaneously, you need to conduct a search for a possible threat submarine and maintain a CAP against a counter-attack along the threat axis in the direction of your adversary. At the same time, one ship needs critical supplies delivered, another has a planned medical transfer after a casualty, and it's mail call day.

I'm not sure who plans the SEAL mission, but let's say they need at least four helicopters- two for transporting SEALS and two supporting CAS gunships.

CAG (Strike) would be responsible for coordinating the fixed-wing CAS portion of the SEAL mission. This requires a package of F/A-18 Superhornets as strikers and tankers, and an EA-18G Growler for jamming / EW.

The USWC (Undersea Warfare Commander) is responsible for the ASW problem, and wants as many helicoptors as he can get fitted out with ASW loads to provide his ASW screen. This officer is probably the CO of one of the battle group cruisers or destroyers.

The AAWC (Anti-air warfare commander) is responsible for force protection against air attack. He is one of the Aegis-equipped cruiser skippers. He's got the missile defense systems on the battle group's ships, but wants 12 hours worth of F/A-18 Superhornet fighters (armed for CAP) on station, with tanker support on a ready alert status- say a minimum of 4 fighters on two stations at a time, with at least one plane on deck as a reserve tanker.

Someone (The ATO?) wants helicopters for the vert-reps, medevac, and mail runs. Today he's probably going to get the short end.

All these asset requirements have to be coordinated, prioritized, and parceled out. On any given day the carrier squadrons and small-ship aviation detachments have a certain number of airframes and crews available for use. Some planes are always down for maintenance, and crews work on duty and crew rest cycles which mean they aren't all immediately available to use 100% of the time- squadron scheduling officers and operations department types keep that sorted out at the squadron/ detachment level. The air element coordinator is the poor guy/gal who works for the admiral and gets yelled at when everyone doesn't get exactly what they want. They just make it happen the way it needs to happen to get the job done.

Anyway. :D
 
I've seen countless episodes when Kirk & Spock beamed down to whatever planet they were visiting, Scotty had the bridge.

Kirk
Spock
Scotty (McCoy might be this rank but he's a doctor, not a command officer)
Sulu
Uhura
Checkov

Please don't resurrect long dead threads.

Thanks.
 
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