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"Enemy Starfleet!" Release Date: Thursday, October 21st, 2010

Very true. Someone said that for any labor of love, you can only choose two elements between lower cost, fast release time, and high quality. Spoiled as we are by the internet and home studio these days, I'm glad to wait a while for quality releases on a budget. Can't stop a guy from wanting it soon, though.

IMO, it sounds like Hidden Frontier is reaching the end of its heyday. Fan productions run a fairly predictable cycle of intensity and passion followed by a petering out of both over time. HF has had a very long run but thr group may haev run its course. I'm glad they're at least planning an end to their commitment instead of dropping it mid-story. Frontier Guard is fun, but I'm not sure how much more of that is coming either...

Mark
 
Hidden Frontier was just rougher to watch and I don't think it had the lasting qualities that TOS still has which is why PII probably has a better chance to last longer. It's already been about 7 or 8 years with PII/NV right now. But it'll just come down to money. That's probably what's happened with HF. It's just basically ran out of money to continue.
 
All things end. Good things end and bad things end. Hidden Frontiers broke serious ground. Exeter did too. The original series ended as did all other incarnations.

I like to think that P2 has pushed the boundaries between amateur and pro productions hard--the quality arc has been astounding as I look back on things. It amazes me still to this day (as I had participated in much of P2 from near its beginning) how many pieces make up the finished product. It is touched by so many hands. All need to come together at the same time. That is the part that doesnt always work out. Money is needed to bring all the pieces and all the hands together too. It is fantastically amazing it all happens at all. When we finished filming "To Serve All My Days" I said to myself, well, that is the last one of these we will make--this was fun! Then, amazingly, we filmed "World Enough and Time" and I said the same thing at the end of that. I've said it again five times since too.

While I love P2, my time with the production comes to an end as this year ends. I hope I continue to be amazed and continue to be surprised and challenged for many more years into the future. What P2 does truly amazes and astounds me even though I have seen it in person, up close, and personally. It is magic. My hat is off to James Cawley, and he has my appreciation and gratitude and I look forward to our contiuning friendship even as I retire from the project.

Full steam ahead, P2! Keep those boilers stoked . . .

Cheers!

--R
 
No one is going to answer this? The Phase II guys are on here all the time.

Despite all the ass kissing above and the "it's free, so you have nothing to complain about" that is inevitable and has been in every New Voyages/Phase II (by the way, Phase II is a terrible name and you should have stuck with NV) thread since the beginning, there is something to complain about: With every single release, you get everyone's hopes up and then dash them. Don't give a release date unless it's a real and confirmed date, otherwise you're being cruel. It's a sh**ty thing to do to people.

And next comes the "we have a lot of technical stuff that needs doing and we want it to be perfect", but I rebut this by noting that you always have two or three other things that are in "pre-production" and so forth. If you stopped working on 3 or 4 productions all at the same time, you would be able to devote your time and energy into actually finishing a project on time for once.
 
Spock's Brain... clearly, you haven't been following this group. They have, in fact, decided to not announce releases in advance, which is why you haven't heard a new release date for Enemy Starfleet. What is more, they gave in to complaints about delays, released a less-than-complete version of B&F II, and people kept talking about it as if it were the final product EVEN AFTER they released a final version.

You can't have it both ways. EITHER they respond to the question of "Any word on a new release date?" or they don't give a release date until it's firm. You are demanding that they give release dates and not give them. That's illogical.

And, by the way, all fan films are produced as acts of love by people with their own money in their spare time. Unless you've sent them a check for $1000 or more (most of them have spent much more than that on these films), yeah, you don't really have anything to complain about.

I run an indexing website that tracks Star Trek Fan Films. Wanna watch fan Trek? Drop by Star Trek Reviewed. By the way, try out the fan audio trek section, too! I have over 400 Star Trek fan films and over 200 Star Trek fan audio shows available, complete, and ready-to-enjoy!
 
No one is going to answer this? The Phase II guys are on here all the time.

Despite all the ass kissing above and the "it's free, so you have nothing to complain about" that is inevitable and has been in every New Voyages/Phase II (by the way, Phase II is a terrible name and you should have stuck with NV) thread since the beginning, there is something to complain about: With every single release, you get everyone's hopes up and then dash them. Don't give a release date unless it's a real and confirmed date, otherwise you're being cruel. It's a sh**ty thing to do to people.

And next comes the "we have a lot of technical stuff that needs doing and we want it to be perfect", but I rebut this by noting that you always have two or three other things that are in "pre-production" and so forth. If you stopped working on 3 or 4 productions all at the same time, you would be able to devote your time and energy into actually finishing a project on time for once.

Thank you for your input. It’s always gratifying to us to know that people take an interest in and are passionate about watching our productions.

1. Our name change met one important organizational need: letting our audience know that we were changing the focus of our series ever-so-slightly from being a slavish recreation of The Original Series (as we tried to do in our first five New Voyages episodes), to a series that would try to incorporate elements that weren’t from The Original Series. Some of these elements include elements from The Animated Series, elements from Star Trek: The Motion Picture (and subsequent Trek movies), and, most importantly, elements from the ill-fated Star Trek revival series that Gene Roddenberry and Paramount Television had planned for the late 1970s. Changing the name of our series has been a bit liberating for us. Actually, I’m not sure that the title Star Trek Phase II is all that terrible. It’s not a great title, I suppose. But it does have the distinction of being the title that Gene Roddenberry used on his new Star Trek series before that series ultimately got scrapped. (In fact, Gene probably got complaints about the title Star Trek Phase II just as we have been getting. But we figured if Gene was going to call his series Star Trek Phase II, that’s good enough for us. Of course, if that’s people’s biggest complaint about us, we’re in pretty good shape.)

2. It’s always difficult to know how forthcoming we should be with our predictions for release dates. If putting these things out was a fulltime job for any of us, we would know that we can expect people to be working on the project eight hours a day, five days a week--like at any job. But since these episodes are just for fun, and we’re doing them in our spare time for our hobby, the amount of time that any of us can spend is more unpredictable than a “real” production. We also know people seem to get real, real, upset when we predict a date and then we can’t meet it for whatever reason. But then when we decline to predict a still-uncertain release date, people then get equally upset at the lack of announcement. So, as others have said: the contradictory message of “don’t issue a release date until you are absolutely sure”/“why the hell aren’t you answering the release date question” can drive us a bit crazy sometimes—and can be despiriting. But we also know that it would be a bad sign if people stopped asking us about our release dates. (When people stop caring when or if we have a release planned, we’ll know that people have stopped feeling passionate about our series—and then we’re in real trouble.)

3. Here’s an important comment about working on multiple episodes simultaneously: the guy who does our film editing—meticulously gluing together all our little pieces of “film”--doesn’t actually get pulled away from his task when we shoot a new episode. So shooting a second or third episode doesn’t really slow down the editor at all; conversely, stopping pre-production or production on additional episodes wouldn’t really speed up our post-production process, either. We have a separation of duties. If our post-production team were in any way pulled away from their tasks to work on additional episodes, I could understand the concern. But it’s more like washing a second load of laundry when the first load is still in the dryer: if you really want to, you could wait until the first load is completely dried, I suppose, before you start washing the second load, but that’s just wasting time—because washing the second load isn’t actually slowing down the dryer. I don’t think anyone really says “your machine would dry the clothes faster if you devoted your time exclusively to drying instead of starting a second load in the washer.” Yet for some reason, people think “your editor could splice together the footage faster if the cameraman weren’t busy shooting another episode.” In short, from an efficiency standpoint, it’s probably to your advantage to do two tasks in parallel instead of in series whenever possible. When it comes to planning ahead, if all our Enterprise sets burned down tomorrow, we’d really be kicking ourselves if hadn’t taken advantage of the opportunity to film more episodes when we still had the chance. Fortunately, we already have four episodes filmed! (Now if we just had more editors.)

Thanks again for your enthusiastic support. To help speed the whole process along, don’t forget that our series exists purely through the generosity of our fans. You can find out how to donate to our project here:

http://www.startreknewvoyages.com/Donate.html
 
1. I have to admit that when the title Phase II was announced, I wasn't wild of the idea, but as time (and more episodes) has passed. I've grown accustomed to the new title. It's solidly connected to the Star Trek phenomenon, and there will always folks who liked things better "when they did it the right way." Oh, well.

2. Since none of the fan film makers can get a dime from the projects, they have to rely on the devotion of people who love Trek as much as producers do. It would be fantastic if deadlines were easily made and just as easily met. Do the best you can and we'll still be out here when it's ready.

3. I would be the last person to tell someone how to run a continuing operation like Phase II. Again, do the best you can and I'll still be here when it's done.
 
"Enemy: Starfleet" is in the capable hands of our sound designer, Mr. Ralph Miller. When he has completed his task we will release the episode. I expect that the release will not be too far in the future.
James Cawley
 
"Enemy: Starfleet" is in the capable hands of our sound designer, Mr. Ralph Miller. When he has completed his task we will release the episode. I expect that the release will not be too far in the future.
James Cawley
Thanks, James...looking forward to it!
 
"Enemy: Starfleet" is in the capable hands of our sound designer, Mr. Ralph Miller. When he has completed his task we will release the episode. I expect that the release will not be too far in the future.
James Cawley

Glad to hear it, James. The crew of Destiny is looking forward to it.
 
It's also good to hear you are filming the next episode this summer. Good luck with that too
 
Yes, James has announced they'll be filming Shirley Maiweiski's "Mind-Sifter" story this year. Fans have been begging for it!
 
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