Endgame: How accurate was the Admiral's time-travel ability?

[The Borg Queen]

If Admiral Janeway's Klingon-based time-traveling device could jump her to the other side of the Galaxy at an exact enough point in time and space to be where Voyager was (more or less), why on Earth did she arrive three days AFTER Voyager encountered the Borg nebula and not three days BEFORE?!

I mean, seriously.

 

[Finn]

She didn't want to interfere with Chakotay and Seven's first date, I guess.

 

[VulcanGuy]

Better question would be why she didn't just go back to when the Caretaker first brought them to the DQ. That way, she could have saved the lives the ship had lost.

 

[JNG]

Better question would be why she didn't just go back to when the Caretaker first brought them to the DQ. That way, she could have saved the lives the ship had lost.

Yeah, it's pretty sleazy if she did this to save Seven instead of, say, Stadi. It's one of those things I would try hard to rationalize...maybe seven additional years and many thousands of extra light years in distance exceeded the range beyond which the device would have been reliable. We might also imagine she felt a lot of good had been done by the ship at that point (saving the Ocampa, intel on the Borg, whatever) but felt that the years afterward had been less productive.

 

[VulcanGuy]

Yeah, it's pretty sleazy if she did this to save Seven instead of, say, Stadi. It's one of those things I would try hard to rationalize...maybe seven additional years and many thousands of extra light years in distance exceeded the range beyond which the device would have been reliable. We might also imagine she felt a lot of good had been done by the ship at that point (saving the Ocampa, intel on the Borg, whatever) but felt that the years afterward had been less productive.

Great point.

She must have rationalized when exactly would be the best time to meet Voyager. Too early and you lose the intel on the Borg and the enhancements on the ship and still sacrificing some crew. If she came too late they lose Seven and in her opinion have therefore spent too much time in the DQ.

 

[Deks]

We are also forgetting the 8472 factor.
If Voyager got back to the AQ before the ship helped the Borg defeat 8472 ... it's quite possible the entire galaxy would be overrun by them exterminating every species and converting the galaxy into fluidic space.

 

[TheGodBen]

She must have rationalized when exactly would be the best time to meet Voyager. Too early and you lose the intel on the Borg and the enhancements on the ship and still sacrificing some crew. If she came too late they lose Seven and in her opinion have therefore spent too much time in the DQ.

I still think she was a bitch for not going back an extra month and saving Lt. Carey's life. The guy had a wife and children, yet she chose to let him die a month away from getting home? Great captaining there Janeway.

 

[Guy Gardener]

We are also forgetting the 8472 factor.
If Voyager got back to the AQ before the ship helped the Borg defeat 8472 ... it's quite possible the entire galaxy would be overrun by them exterminating every species and converting the galaxy into fluidic space.

What about the Henry Starling Factor? No 1970s computer revolution without Braxton getting frakked by Kathy.

And surely the Q are beyond time that if Admiral Janeway meddled with time before Voyager's crew helped out in the civil war, then they would have insisted that things remain constant even if Voyager that remained the same in a universe very different form what it regarded as history that it had had no past so to speak that they could even meet themselves at some point...

 

[USS Fardell]

It seemed very accurate to me. The Admiral didn't have to go searching for Voyager when she arrived in the Delta Quadrant.

 

[The Borg Queen]

It seemed very accurate to me. The Admiral didn't have to go searching for Voyager when she arrived in the Delta Quadrant.

So why turn up when Voyager is 3 days away from the nebula instead of just before they encounter it?

That way the Queen would never have even seen them coming!

 

[USS Fardell]

It seemed very accurate to me. The Admiral didn't have to go searching for Voyager when she arrived in the Delta Quadrant.

So why turn up when Voyager is 3 days away from the nebula instead of just before they encounter it?

That way the Queen would never have even seen them coming!

Even though the the future Janeway had encountered the Borg many more times she had no idea that the Collective was observing Voyager in the days after they had encountered the nebula with the transwarp hub in it.

 

[Praetor]

Perhaps she wanted them to have detected the readings of the transwarp corridors and become excited as Harry Kim did, potentially enabling her to lure a good amount or even majority of the crew to her side if Captain Kathy was reluctant (as she was probably sure she would be)?

 

[Deks]

The Queen would be monitoring Voyager once they were close to the nebula anyway.
So 3 days earlier or 3 days later would hardly matter for the Borg as they have powerful sensors and could have been tracking Voyager from vast distances if they wanted to (and given how much the Borg are spread throughout the quadrant, they can probably monitor the entire DQ if they desire).

 

[Guy Gardener]

mass transit system. Of course they were keeping comtrol of the immediate space just Like LAX makes sure there are no collisions and terrorists and hangliders floating about.

I'm more interested in how accurate her time travel was sideways that she did or did not fiddle with her own reality's history, since she implied in the episode that she might not of at all. She wasn't changing the security of her reality at all but retiring to a parallel universe which had no impact on her own abandoned present at all.

What a freaking tourist.

 

[Brit]

LOL fourteen replies and the general consensus is what I've always thought, "Endgame" is a screwed up episode that paid no attention to continuity. My first fic was an attempt to "fix" it. The difference for me is that I don't blame the characters but rather the writer that came up with it in the first place.

Brit

 

[Praetor]

It's the 'Generations' of episodes.

 

[Cyke101]

I'd like to rationalize Adm. Janeway's choice of not picking up the crew right after Caretaker only because she knew Capt. Janeway would refuse such help on the grounds of violating the temporal prime directive or proving themselves or something too self-righteous to be believable. Then, after seven years of traveling nearly aimlessly, Capt. Janeway would get sick and tired and just accept the help.

Sure, it's far fetched, but so was the entire premise of Endgame.

 

[Praetor]

Sure, it's far fetched, but so was the entire premise of Endgame.

QFT.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I'd like to rationalize Adm. Janeway's choice of not picking up the crew right after Caretaker only because she knew Capt. Janeway would refuse such help on the grounds of violating the temporal prime directive or proving themselves or something too self-righteous to be believable. Then, after seven years of traveling nearly aimlessly, Capt. Janeway would get sick and tired and just accept the help.

Sure, it's far fetched, but so was the entire premise of Endgame.

And what about "before" Voyager was taken? Either by the ship not being in the badlands when the Caretaker was glancing that way, or by breaking or blowing up the array BEFORE Voyager was taken... Was Ransom taken first? He was. Of course he was. Going back and helping/killing the Caretaker 10 years earlier before the pilot? That makes Janeways bunch the third set of Starfleet officers to explore the Delta Quadrant. Hardly going where no one has gone before?

 

[Cyke101]

I'd like to rationalize Adm. Janeway's choice of not picking up the crew right after Caretaker only because she knew Capt. Janeway would refuse such help on the grounds of violating the temporal prime directive or proving themselves or something too self-righteous to be believable. Then, after seven years of traveling nearly aimlessly, Capt. Janeway would get sick and tired and just accept the help.

Sure, it's far fetched, but so was the entire premise of Endgame.

And what about "before" Voyager was taken? Either by the ship not being in the badlands when the Caretaker was glancing that way, or by breaking or blowing up the array BEFORE Voyager was taken... Was Ransom taken first? He was. Of course he was. Going back and helping/killing the Caretaker 10 years earlier before the pilot? That makes Janeways bunch the third set of Starfleet officers to explore the Delta Quadrant. Hardly going where no one has gone before?

Adm. Janeway liked to hold grudges, as we know. Maybe she's still bitter about that whole ordeal with Ransom.