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Re: Gouge in shuttle tiles found...
If they decided is was unserviceable I imagine they would try to engineer an automated re-entry that would cause it to burn up over an unihabited area. They did that at the end of the Skylab project; and the Russians did it for the Mir station.
If they decided is was unserviceable I imagine they would try to engineer an automated re-entry that would cause it to burn up over an unihabited area. They did that at the end of the Skylab project; and the Russians did it for the Mir station.
Re: Gouge in shuttle tiles found...
Wow, you guys are assuming worst-case scenarios here.
The truth here is that shuttles have come back with a lot more damage than this in the past. We're just more aware and concerned about this in a post-Columbia world.
Kinda makes me wonder why more people aren't concerned more about certain other things in a post-9/11 world if you know what I mean.
They'll get this fixed in the next EVA and it'll be no problem.
Wow, you guys are assuming worst-case scenarios here.
The truth here is that shuttles have come back with a lot more damage than this in the past. We're just more aware and concerned about this in a post-Columbia world.
Kinda makes me wonder why more people aren't concerned more about certain other things in a post-9/11 world if you know what I mean.
They'll get this fixed in the next EVA and it'll be no problem.
Re: Gouge in shuttle tiles found...
Remote Control Orbiter!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STS-3xx#Remote_Control_Orbiter
Remote Control Orbiter!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STS-3xx#Remote_Control_Orbiter
Re: Gouge in shuttle tiles found...
They decided, after hours of testing and reviewing images, that they will not be fixing the gouge in the heat sheild tiles. I do hope that they are right in their decision. This will be one re-entry that I think everyone will be watching with their fingers crossed.
They decided, after hours of testing and reviewing images, that they will not be fixing the gouge in the heat sheild tiles. I do hope that they are right in their decision. This will be one re-entry that I think everyone will be watching with their fingers crossed.
Re: Gouge in shuttle tiles found...
I thnk they are right in their decision. Tests show that most heating will occur in the back well of the gouge, with a possible tunneling effect across the tile behind it. But, it has to be said, that was the result of a test which assumed more heating than would actually occur.
Unlike earlier reports, the gouge does not extend down to the aluminium superstructure of the orbiter. It does not even cut throught all of the tile. Below it are layers of thermal blanket which have shown to be able to withstand serious heating, if not the amount of heating the tiles can stand.
I thnk they are right in their decision. Tests show that most heating will occur in the back well of the gouge, with a possible tunneling effect across the tile behind it. But, it has to be said, that was the result of a test which assumed more heating than would actually occur.
Unlike earlier reports, the gouge does not extend down to the aluminium superstructure of the orbiter. It does not even cut throught all of the tile. Below it are layers of thermal blanket which have shown to be able to withstand serious heating, if not the amount of heating the tiles can stand.
Re: Gouge in shuttle tiles found...
The shuttle is very old,very expensive,very inadequate and very,very delicate with all those stupid tiles and another one blowing up would at least spur the development of something better and more advanced.
The Shuttle has cost more than a $100 billion and has failed EVERY SINGLE OBJECTIVE for which it was designed.
How many missions launched in total.
a web page exists which lists all the objectives and every failure of this gold brick.
In fact the shuttle is nothing more than a subsidy device and a endless source of income to all the parasitic contractors and an employment agency for various supplier, contractors,hangers ones and endless managers.
In fact NASA has become a agency which provides employment for it's own staff at the industrial contractors it employs.
Talk about corruption on a massive scale.
A web page exists detailing this.
NASA has failed to develop any new propulsion systen for the last 28 years because of these parasites.
The shuttle is very old,very expensive,very inadequate and very,very delicate with all those stupid tiles and another one blowing up would at least spur the development of something better and more advanced.
The Shuttle has cost more than a $100 billion and has failed EVERY SINGLE OBJECTIVE for which it was designed.
How many missions launched in total.
a web page exists which lists all the objectives and every failure of this gold brick.
In fact the shuttle is nothing more than a subsidy device and a endless source of income to all the parasitic contractors and an employment agency for various supplier, contractors,hangers ones and endless managers.
In fact NASA has become a agency which provides employment for it's own staff at the industrial contractors it employs.
Talk about corruption on a massive scale.
A web page exists detailing this.
NASA has failed to develop any new propulsion systen for the last 28 years because of these parasites.
Re: Gouge in shuttle tiles found...
WOW...Where to begin....
Ever heard of the Ares system?
Hmmmm...maybe you was looking in the wrong place, and for a different craft, perhaps?
Seems like to me, it has performed its goals perfectly...a space truck designed to launch satellites, do on-orbit experiments via the Space Hab modules, radar map the Earth (STS-99), and bring and assemble components for the ISS.
Oh, about 125 currently, with about 140 total by 2010.
A web page? Let's see it...
Yeah, let's pour billions into the education system, but let's not fund one of the most rewarding and satisfying jobs in the country. Makes sense to me... NOT!!!!
Yeah, after all, let's use all these contractors, but not even think about coming up with new shit...
GEEZ, the problem is that NASA has been WAY UNDER FUNDED, for a very long time....and it ain't got nuttin' to do wit dem parasites.
WOW...Where to begin....
Ever heard of the Ares system?
Hmmmm...maybe you was looking in the wrong place, and for a different craft, perhaps?
Seems like to me, it has performed its goals perfectly...a space truck designed to launch satellites, do on-orbit experiments via the Space Hab modules, radar map the Earth (STS-99), and bring and assemble components for the ISS.
Oh, about 125 currently, with about 140 total by 2010.
A web page? Let's see it...
Yeah, let's pour billions into the education system, but let's not fund one of the most rewarding and satisfying jobs in the country. Makes sense to me... NOT!!!!
Yeah, after all, let's use all these contractors, but not even think about coming up with new shit...
GEEZ, the problem is that NASA has been WAY UNDER FUNDED, for a very long time....and it ain't got nuttin' to do wit dem parasites.
Re: Gouge in shuttle tiles found...
The space shuttle was one of those things that looked good on paper, but the reality of it isn't as beneficial.
They figured a resusable space craft would save them money, but they didn't think about the amount of man hours it would take to maintain the shuttle as well as move it from place to place. Not to mention the cost of retrieving the solid rocket boosters out of the ocean.
They wanted a vehicle that could carry alot of cargo. The problem is the shuttle cost so much to maintain, their wasn't much money left over for the cargo that it was suppose to carry which were the pieces of a space station. The russians were smart. They put the pieces on top of unmanned rockets and put them into place by remote control. No shuttle needed. Money saved.
The space shuttle was one of those things that looked good on paper, but the reality of it isn't as beneficial.
They figured a resusable space craft would save them money, but they didn't think about the amount of man hours it would take to maintain the shuttle as well as move it from place to place. Not to mention the cost of retrieving the solid rocket boosters out of the ocean.
They wanted a vehicle that could carry alot of cargo. The problem is the shuttle cost so much to maintain, their wasn't much money left over for the cargo that it was suppose to carry which were the pieces of a space station. The russians were smart. They put the pieces on top of unmanned rockets and put them into place by remote control. No shuttle needed. Money saved.
Re: Gouge in shuttle tiles found...
I’m certain they thought of that, but they did seemed to have underestimated it by a wide margin.
It’s easy to criticize such a large organization and how they do things, and inherent in such organizations is waste. Sure, they could do more, but that would be hard to quantify. I’m sure they (and science in general) has gained a lot from the shuttle program. Most assuredly, something like this won’t be tried again in the near future.
The shuttle program attempted to do too much. NASA put all its eggs into one basket and while the shuttle was a success in some areas, it was a huge drain on NASA resources and now it’s an ailing expensive program.
They need to pick up the pieces, learn from their mistakes, and continue on.
I’m certain they thought of that, but they did seemed to have underestimated it by a wide margin.
It’s easy to criticize such a large organization and how they do things, and inherent in such organizations is waste. Sure, they could do more, but that would be hard to quantify. I’m sure they (and science in general) has gained a lot from the shuttle program. Most assuredly, something like this won’t be tried again in the near future.
The shuttle program attempted to do too much. NASA put all its eggs into one basket and while the shuttle was a success in some areas, it was a huge drain on NASA resources and now it’s an ailing expensive program.
They need to pick up the pieces, learn from their mistakes, and continue on.
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Yeah, but did you actually see MIR on the inside? let alone the outside?
It was a freakin' mess.
Worst space station design in history. Yeah it was cheap to build, but you get what you pay for. MIR constantly had mechanical problems. Hell, they ran one of their Progress modules into it one time.
I think we should just give NASA its chance to finish up the ISS in a couple more years, and let them get some real science use out of it for how ever many years they plan on getting. They say until 2016, but I don't buy that early of a date. I mean you spend 12 years building something and you only plan to use for 6 more once you're done with it? THAT my friends is a BIG waste of money and time. I'd expect them to use it up until at least they build a moonbase, and even then, they probably still need something with Zero G capacity.
Yeah, but did you actually see MIR on the inside? let alone the outside?
It was a freakin' mess.
Worst space station design in history. Yeah it was cheap to build, but you get what you pay for. MIR constantly had mechanical problems. Hell, they ran one of their Progress modules into it one time.
I think we should just give NASA its chance to finish up the ISS in a couple more years, and let them get some real science use out of it for how ever many years they plan on getting. They say until 2016, but I don't buy that early of a date. I mean you spend 12 years building something and you only plan to use for 6 more once you're done with it? THAT my friends is a BIG waste of money and time. I'd expect them to use it up until at least they build a moonbase, and even then, they probably still need something with Zero G capacity.
Re: Gouge in shuttle tiles found...
Mir's construction began in 1986 and ended in 1989, so by the time the US space shuttles began visiting Mir, parts of it had already been in orbit for almost 10 years. Then of course with the fall of the Soviet Union, the Russian space program lost much of its funding.
So the problems Mir had were due to age and lack of funding. There was nothing wrong with the Engineering.
Mir was a well designed space station. Much of the ISS is based on Mir.
Mir's construction began in 1986 and ended in 1989, so by the time the US space shuttles began visiting Mir, parts of it had already been in orbit for almost 10 years. Then of course with the fall of the Soviet Union, the Russian space program lost much of its funding.
So the problems Mir had were due to age and lack of funding. There was nothing wrong with the Engineering.
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^I agree. I think the design proves itself by the mere fact that even after the things that went wrong, Mir continued functioning, keeping its crew alive and able to do their job until the end.
2016 seems horribly early, and I hope they'll continue using the station well after that, but don't forget that it's already been in use since its first crew arrived, well before it was even close to being finished. The Zarya module, just last week, completed its 50,000th orbit, and that module has been functioning for most of that time.
Of course, the station won't be able to do all it was designed for until construction is complete, but it has been functioning for a decade already.
^I agree. I think the design proves itself by the mere fact that even after the things that went wrong, Mir continued functioning, keeping its crew alive and able to do their job until the end.
2016 seems horribly early, and I hope they'll continue using the station well after that, but don't forget that it's already been in use since its first crew arrived, well before it was even close to being finished. The Zarya module, just last week, completed its 50,000th orbit, and that module has been functioning for most of that time.
Of course, the station won't be able to do all it was designed for until construction is complete, but it has been functioning for a decade already.
Re: Gouge in shuttle tiles found...
125 missions in 20 years at a cost of $600 million a shot.
I have decided to start a separate post to show the ugly side of nasa.
This thread is mostly about the falling tiles.
125 missions in 20 years at a cost of $600 million a shot.
I have decided to start a separate post to show the ugly side of nasa.
This thread is mostly about the falling tiles.
Re: Gouge in shuttle tiles found...
You mean a "I hate things that actually help the progression of science and technology" or a "I hate things that I, personally, feel that don't spend money on things that I, personally, want them to spend it on" thread.
Again, I say, what's the use of pumping money into the education system (which is all the rave amongst college-aged kids) when you're not willing to spend money on the professions that these kids will have once they're out of college?
You mean a "I hate things that actually help the progression of science and technology" or a "I hate things that I, personally, feel that don't spend money on things that I, personally, want them to spend it on" thread.
Again, I say, what's the use of pumping money into the education system (which is all the rave amongst college-aged kids) when you're not willing to spend money on the professions that these kids will have once they're out of college?
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Well, yeah...the Russian part.
But with the ISS, the International partners wanted a design that had modules that had what they called "distinguishable ceilings and floors" to them, rather than the side neutral modules that the Russians used for Mir.
Well, not the engineering, but definately the aesthetics of the place were lacking.
Well, yeah...the Russian part.
But with the ISS, the International partners wanted a design that had modules that had what they called "distinguishable ceilings and floors" to them, rather than the side neutral modules that the Russians used for Mir.
Well, not the engineering, but definately the aesthetics of the place were lacking.
