Empok Nor

[GulGoneCrazy]

We all know the DS9 but whats the current state of the far Empok Nor(The same station design like DS9 but is much closer to Cardassian space and it is abandoned)?As far i know it was slowly leaning out of axis and there is no current crew after those two soldiers are killed in 122nd DS9 episode.
Anyone knows what happened to station?
Is there any chance that Fed's will man that station?

 

[Jono]

In canon, we don't know what happened to the station after Dukat played Cult Leader there. We were never led to believe there was anything of importance in the system it is located in, so I can't think of a reason why the Feds would have bothered to spend the time and effort to repair and covert the station for their use, but there is always a chance they might post war to support their activities in and around Cardassia for some reason. Or maybe even the Romulans or Klingons might move in.

In the post DS9 novel continuity the station was towed to the Bajor system and dumped somewhere in the system to be used for spare parts for DS9 in the months following the end of the Dominion War.

 

[Smellincoffee]

In canon, we don't know what happened to the station after Dukat played Cult Leader there. [...]

In the post DS9 novel continuity the station was towed to the Bajor system and dumped somewhere in the system to be used for spare parts for DS9 in the months following the end of the Dominion War.

What are you referencing with Dukat playing cult leader in Empok Nor? DS9 Millennium?

 

[Timo]

Nope, the canon episode "Covenant" where Dukat kidnaps Kira to that station.

We were never led to believe there was anything of importance in the system it is located in

But we know the station is in that system. We can speculate that it is there for some reason, as the Cardassians wouldn't build it there for no reason.

Of course, it may be that such stations are not built on the spot, but rather towed to the location. This goes against some ideas from various novels and comics, but I don't think canon requires us to believe that it's impossible to tow a station of that type from star to star. Perhaps Empok Nor was underway to some place of importance when the towing was aborted? Say, the world in need of an ore refinery/intimidation platform was lost in the old war with the Federation, and no other world in similar need was found?

It just looks a bit odd to me that Empok Nor is so well equipped, with a Quark's-like bar area and all, if the station is only in the process of being towed to its operational area.

Do we have some reason to think this star system did not have a planet that produced ore to be refined? I would imagine the refining systems would form a lion's share of the station's structures, and would look much the same even if Empok Nor did not have the same intimidation hardware as Terok Nor did - i.e. if Empok Nor orbited a world that lacked a native population.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[R. Star]

Nope, the canon episode "Covenant" where Dukat kidnaps Kira to that station.

We were never led to believe there was anything of importance in the system it is located in

But we know the station is in that system. We can speculate that it is there for some reason, as the Cardassians wouldn't build it there for no reason.

Of course, it may be that such stations are not built on the spot, but rather towed to the location. This goes against some ideas from various novels and comics, but I don't think canon requires us to believe that it's impossible to tow a station of that type from star to star. Perhaps Empok Nor was underway to some place of importance when the towing was aborted? Say, the world in need of an ore refinery/intimidation platform was lost in the old war with the Federation, and no other world in similar need was found?

It just looks a bit odd to me that Empok Nor is so well equipped, with a Quark's-like bar area and all, if the station is only in the process of being towed to its operational area.

Do we have some reason to think this star system did not have a planet that produced ore to be refined? I would imagine the refining systems would form a lion's share of the station's structures, and would look much the same even if Empok Nor did not have the same intimidation hardware as Terok Nor did - i.e. if Empok Nor orbited a world that lacked a native population.

Timo Saloniemi

Or it could have been something so basic as a supply depot and repair base in the area that is unlikely to be attacked since it's not in an important area.

 

[Mage]

Nope, the canon episode "Covenant" where Dukat kidnaps Kira to that station.

We were never led to believe there was anything of importance in the system it is located in

But we know the station is in that system. We can speculate that it is there for some reason, as the Cardassians wouldn't build it there for no reason.

Of course, it may be that such stations are not built on the spot, but rather towed to the location. This goes against some ideas from various novels and comics, but I don't think canon requires us to believe that it's impossible to tow a station of that type from star to star. Perhaps Empok Nor was underway to some place of importance when the towing was aborted? Say, the world in need of an ore refinery/intimidation platform was lost in the old war with the Federation, and no other world in similar need was found?

It just looks a bit odd to me that Empok Nor is so well equipped, with a Quark's-like bar area and all, if the station is only in the process of being towed to its operational area.

Do we have some reason to think this star system did not have a planet that produced ore to be refined? I would imagine the refining systems would form a lion's share of the station's structures, and would look much the same even if Empok Nor did not have the same intimidation hardware as Terok Nor did - i.e. if Empok Nor orbited a world that lacked a native population.

Timo Saloniemi

Or it could have been something so basic as a supply depot and repair base in the area that is unlikely to be attacked since it's not in an important area.

Probably not. The Nor stations are designed for one thing only; ore processing. That's the whole setup. Using it for something else is kinda silly. For the Federation, it was considered logical to refit the station to be an outpost instead of building a whole new station in orbit or a ground-based facility for the administration proces.
We've seen other stations of Cardasian design, implying they they (like other races in Trek) use different designs for different purposes. This would imply that Empok Nor, being a Nor-type station, is an ore-processing facility.

At the end though, all this speculation is pointless I guess, since the only reason they used a Nor-type station was budget-reasons, since they didn't have to build a whole new model and sets. We like the think that there was a whole, 50 page backstory to the this station, why it was where it was, what happened to it all.... but I doubt that the writers had anything like that in mind.

 

[Timo]

...So it's up to us to invent said backstory. And I'm certainly not complaining.

Terok Nor processed ore above an occupied world - seemingly an outrageously expensive way to do it, because one has to haul lots and lots of useless stone to space before the valuable minerals can be extracted from it, but apparently worth all the hassle because a refinery more sensibly placed down on the surface would be vulnerable to rebellion, sabotage and other nastiness from the part of the occupied folks. An orbiting ore refinery might well be taken to be a sign of an occupation going on, then, which possibly tells us something about the system Empok Nor was in...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Smellincoffee]

Nope, the canon episode "Covenant" where Dukat kidnaps Kira to that station.

I...am staggered. I recently acquired the seventh season DS9, and started that episode last night (before reading your post). I had no idea there was an episode of DS9 I'd not yet seen. It feels altogether weird.

 

[Parrots_United]

Why not just follow the path that Avatar and Section 31: Abyss set for us? Nog transported Empok Nor near Bajoran Orbit (Hey, if Warp 10 is possible in Voyager's canon Threshold, anything is possible) for a fusion core transport.

 

[Mage]

Why not just follow the path that Avatar and Section 31: Abyss set for us? Nog transported Empok Nor near Bajoran Orbit (Hey, if Warp 10 is possible in Voyager's canon Threshold, anything is possible) for a fusion core transport.

If you mean transported with transporters... that's not what happened. Nog and the SCE used several starships to tow the station at low warp to the Bajoran sector.

 

[Kosh Naranek]

I just assumed that Empok Nor was too close to DS9. I assumed that the Cardassians had to pull back to a certain point beyond Bajoran space. Therefore, they abondoned any installations within a certain area. But who knows...

 

[Parrots_United]

Why not just follow the path that Avatar and Section 31: Abyss set for us? Nog transported Empok Nor near Bajoran Orbit (Hey, if Warp 10 is possible in Voyager's canon Threshold, anything is possible) for a fusion core transport.

If you mean transported with transporters... that's not what happened. Nog and the SCE used several starships to tow the station at low warp to the Bajoran sector.

I meant transported as in transportation
(Warp being the means of transportation I was implying)