Spoilers Emergence - Season 1

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by JD, Oct 7, 2019.

  1. Christopher

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    In retrospect, yes. But I'm talking about what the creators intended at the pilot stage. Terry O'Quinn wasn't cast on the show until months after the pilot was made and the series picked up, and Kindred didn't appear until episode 3. So when the pilot was shot, when the trailer was made, there was no Kindred. Now, that could be just because they always planned for the character to appear later and didn't need to cast him at the pilot stage. But there was that symbol that was clearly intended to be important and was then abandoned.

    And not just the symbol on the TV -- at the start of the trailer, you can see there are electrical disturbances, some kind of symbols dancing on Jo's clock radio, and a weird aurora in the sky, which seem to suggest more going on than just a plane crash. There's a sense of eeriness there in the pilot that's hard to reconcile with the "It's just some greedy billionaire with hired killers" explanation they gave later. So I get the impression that the Kindred stuff was a more mundane replacement for whatever sci-fi weirdness was originally planned. Because even today, the execs at the big networks are afraid that science fiction is too niche.

    I'd really like to know what's been going on behind the scenes, how much of what we're seeing was planned and how much was revised from the original plan.


    Well, I can't explain it, but somehow I knew from the start that AI would be involved in some respect. Either I read something I've now forgotten, or I made a lucky guess based on the title and the trailer.
     
  2. JD

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    I have to admit, I forgot about that other weirder stuff going on in the pilot. Once he was introduced I had just assumed Kindred was behind the hacking and stuff.
    I do agree that the jumping around from antagonist to antagonist and story arc to story arc was a bit jarring for a while. I enjoyed the stories as they were going on, so I wasn't to bothered by it, but it did feel a bit disjointed the way they kind of jumped around.
    Did not see the Benny reveal coming at all. I'm very much looking forward to see where they are going now that they've introduced more AI. Hopefully the story will settle down a bit now that we've gotten to what feels like it'll be the real focus of the show.
     
  3. Christopher

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    Sure, that was the final explanation, but I get the impression that the original plan was for something weirder/more sci-fi and they changed it post-pilot. There's just too great a tonal mismatch between the eerie implications of the pilot and the rather mundane corporate-shenanigans explanation we finally got.


    I hope so.
     
  4. bryce

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    I was really disappointing that Emergence wasn't a TV version of this novel, which is also about a girl with special abilities. (And has also at various times been considered for movie or TV adaptation.)

    It also has a post-apocalyptic setting. Taking place after a nuclear war and a bio-engineered plague that kills off all homo sapiens.

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  5. Christopher

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    Okay, I'm confused. If all humans have been killed off, how is the protagonist unaware that she's a posthuman?
     
  6. Christopher

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    Finally saw last week's return-from-hiatus episode. This is more like it. They're finally starting to get more directly into the sci-fi stuff that's been downplayed since the pilot, and the weird symbol on the TV hasn't been abandoned as a plot point after all.

    I really wish the big networks' execs would figure out that SF/fantasy is popular now and they don't have to force their genre shows to spin their wheels pretending to be mundane procedurals for half a season before getting to the good stuff. (More like two and a half seasons for Person of Interest.)

    Anyway, I imagine the floating silver liquid-metal blob with a strong magnetic field (similar to Piper's powers) is some kind of nanotech, perhaps the same kind that the AIs are made from. Nanotech seems the only way to explain why they can pass as organic life down to the cellular level.
     
  7. JD

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    Yeah, these couple episode seem to really be getting us to the core of what the series is really supposed to be.
    I'm not entirely going to be entirely convinced that the Helen lookalike who claims she's Helen's creator is not really Helen until we see them together.
    We also learned last week that they have a mission, and now this week it turns out they are uploading everything they've experience somewhere.
    So it turns out they might have been based off of a signal the government picked up. I've already been starting to suspect they are either alien tech or from the future, and this signal could work either way.
    The one thing that kind of bugs me is how they seem to all be the exact same kind of technology, but Helen, Benny and the others have no apparent connection to Piper or Emily. It just seems weird to me that they would coincidentally all be the same. That was where my future theory came from, maybe they are from the future and are based on Piper.
     
  8. Christopher

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    ^Remember, I'm watching online and I'm a week behind you, so you're spoiling some things for me. I stopped reading your post halfway through.

    So I just saw last week's episode, and it was good. It made up for the lack of Piper the week before by having Piper really step up as a hero, smart and compassionate and resourceful and brave. She was really cool and impressive.

    Helen is a nasty piece of work, but not very bright. Never threaten a girl with Magneto powers when standing in a room full of metal boxes and shelving!!
     
  9. JD

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    Ooops, sorry I forgot you were behind. I'll try to keep that in mind.
    I'm actually really disappointed the finale is next week already, it just starting to get really interesting. I've liked it since it started, but these last couple episodes were definitely the most interesting.
     
  10. Christopher

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    Yeah, I noticed on the streaming site that last night's episode was #12 and was "Part 1," so I figured that probably meant #13 would be the finale, unless it got picked up for the back 9. Sounds like it didn't get that pickup, at least not for this season. I hope that doesn't bode ill. The plotting has been very uneven, but the character work is great fun.


    I still feel they wasted too much time on red-herring side plots. They're only just starting to get into the real meat of the story and the season's almost over. Shows today are so concerned with setting up years-long arcs that they take too long to get started. Too many first seasons are just preliminaries, with the real essence of the conflict not even being explained until the season finale.
     
  11. Christopher

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    Well, the second half of the finale 2-parter became unlocked on ABC's website this morning, so I watched both parts back to back. I was hoping we'd get some real answers, but it's an ABC genre show, so of course all the mysteries just get dragged out as long as possible and just a few bits get trickled out. So we know that 18 years ago the government intercepted a signal and used it to build an AI, Helen, that ended up building more AIs to carry out the plan of gathering and uploading data for some purpose. The upload would kill the AIs, or at least leave their bodies behind, so whoever's behind it either saw the AIs as tools or saw their human bodies as expendable shells for their consciousness. At this point, aliens seem to be the most likely explanation; why would time travelers from the future need to gather so much data about everyday human life? But it's all still way too nebulous.

    I'm still liking the character writing much more than the plotting. I liked how, when Brooks kissed her, Jo was clearly into it but brushed it off by saying he was getting too dramatic.

    The climax was really contrived. So the hovering blob is going to go up like a nuke, and Piper has to use her magnetic powers to contain it, thereby sacrificing herself. Okay, well, first off, magnetic fields wouldn't contain the heat from a nuclear explosion. Second, even if they could, surely she'd have to be outside the force field in order to continue generating it until the blast was dissipated, so there was no reason to sacrifice herself. Third, if there was just a barely contained nuclear explosion inside the field radius, why is the table the blob was sitting on still perfectly intact afterward??? Not to mention Helen's body, which I think should've been inside the field too. It just didn't make any sense.

    Also, before uploading Piper's AI into Helen's shapeshifting body, maybe take it back to a lab first and run some tests to make sure Helen's software was really wiped from it? If they'd done that, maybe they'd have found whatever it was that Loretta and Currie Graham's DOJ guy put into her.
     
  12. JD

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    I was pretty happy with the ending overall. I have a feeling that Jo's rule about no shapeshifting probably won't last long once the DOJ people's plot kicks into gear.
    Aliens definitely do seem like the most likely explanation for the signal.
    One thing that bugged me that they never addressed is how Emily managed to create an android who seems to be the same as the rest, without having anything to do with Helen or the people who made her.
     
  13. Christopher

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    I got the impression that Terry O'Quinn's character stole the code from the androids or the government and had his people (including Emily) use it to make Piper.
     
  14. JD

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    Oh, OK I must have missed that.
     
  15. Phoenix219

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    Anyone else think of the end of Wrath of Khan during the nuke part of the finale?
     
  16. JD

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    Emergence has been canceled. I'm disappointed to hear this, it was really starting to find it's footing at the end and I was looking forward to see where it would go next. I admit it was a bit rough at the beginning, with the enemies and storylines being introduced every few episodes, but once we got the android reveal, it felt like the show really found it's focus and started to pick up.
     
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  17. Christopher

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    Disappointing, but not surprising. Too many of these shows try too hard to drag out their mysteries and keep the answers hidden as long as possible, so they lose the audience's interest by not advancing the story sufficiently. And this show kept shifting its focus and having trouble settling on what it was about. It had good characters and fun writing, but the story had trouble coming together.
     
  18. Morpheus 02

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    Why not just but an antenna? They are like 20 bucks. Ànd can go with any TV. Totally useful for your situation. You are watching the CW shows and Agents of SHIELD right?


    As for the show... glad I didn't waste time. It abounded a bit like shows my wife asks i followed before recently..one was the Passage. And the other I think an ABC show about refugees who travel from the future to today. ( I think that too had a special child)
     
  19. Guy Gardener

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    The kid was normal.

    It was the parent who was special, who was supposed to kill the child, for being normal.
     
  20. Anwar

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    Darn shame. I always enjoy seeing Clancy Brown on the screen...