If this ever comes to be there can be little doubt that it would be the highest rated reality show ever produced. Everyone would watch it. That said, I hope they don't.
Elon and SpaceX outline thier plans to go to Mars!
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If this ever comes to be there can be little doubt that it would be the highest rated reality show ever produced. Everyone would watch it. That said, I hope they don't.
Oh, sure, people would never stop watching. After all, the public barely even thinks about other stuff than the astronauts aboard the International Space Station, any or all of whom could die any moment, right?
For only $200k per head, I think some production companies would pay for an entire typical Big Brother contingent to go. Add a few people with personality disorders while you're at it -- a not insignificant proportion of the population at about 9%. Pity anyone who gets stuck as a well-meaning colonist with that lot. That's why I think there must be some vetting of passengers.
With the ISS the problem is that its too mundane. Which I think is great, living on a spacestation is too normal for most people to think about. No one thinks about scientists on Antarctica, different expeditions around the world.
And with ISS there is no specific goal like there would be with the Mars travel.
But I do think that the public interest would be significantly higher for Mars flight than it is for regular ISS flights.
Yeah, just couldn't be a personality-disorder-fest like Big Brother and the like. Think more like The Martian, with a more uncertain outcome. Most of what was going on there was pretty mundane, but pretty popular movie anyway. You'd just have to cut it a bit to speed things up; just a live cam would lose interest too fast.
Big Brother contestants couldn't science the shit out of anything. They'd more likely be experimenting with how to copulate in a lower gravity.
I think Musk needs to focus on toys.
I know that sounds odd--but there aren't a lot of us real space fans on the boards. Trek influenced us. Musk launched early LVs and ate the costs. He needs to do this with large scale replicas of BFR and ITS/MCT.
Get kids playing with these things, with blueprints and the like--get it into the zeitgeist. It helps that ITS resembles a football. Maybe do something with that.
I know that sounds odd--but there aren't a lot of us real space fans on the boards. Trek influenced us. Musk launched early LVs and ate the costs. He needs to do this with large scale replicas of BFR and ITS/MCT.
Get kids playing with these things, with blueprints and the like--get it into the zeitgeist. It helps that ITS resembles a football. Maybe do something with that.
An alternative route to Mars or two:
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20160006324.pdf
http://www.thespacereview.com/article/3085/1
LockMart's ITS? See lower picture: http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=40324.msg1594021#msg1594021
Launch Vehicle Compendium --big PDF:
http://www.space.taurigroup.com/reports/FAA_Annual_Compendium_2016.pdf
Thoughts of how to bring life to lifeless worlds:
http://www.science20.com/robert_inv...ht_and_vast_lunar_caves_in_low_gravity-180516
How Mars maps have evolved:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/10/planets-maps-exploring-mars-space-science/
A bigger map: https://blog.csiro.au/milky-way-new-map-reveals-galaxy/
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20160006324.pdf
http://www.thespacereview.com/article/3085/1
LockMart's ITS? See lower picture: http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=40324.msg1594021#msg1594021
Launch Vehicle Compendium --big PDF:
http://www.space.taurigroup.com/reports/FAA_Annual_Compendium_2016.pdf
Thoughts of how to bring life to lifeless worlds:
http://www.science20.com/robert_inv...ht_and_vast_lunar_caves_in_low_gravity-180516
How Mars maps have evolved:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/10/planets-maps-exploring-mars-space-science/
A bigger map: https://blog.csiro.au/milky-way-new-map-reveals-galaxy/
Looks like there are some models of the ITS on the way:
http://factualfiction.com/marsartists/2016/11/02/michel-lamontagne/
Some concerns over Falcon: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/experts-concerned-spacex-plan-fuel-182128618.html
But it looks like the investigation is making progress: https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2016/10/spacex-prepares-upcoming-falcon-9-amos-6/
In other LV news, India is on its way to launching all of 83 satellites in one launch:
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...tes-on-single-rocket/articleshow/55116494.cms
A new book on the Hermes Spaceplane:
https://www.amazon.com/Spaceplane-H...space&linkId=1878372cae969c69a9a980d67c981768
The proposed ERNO capsule for Ariane 5--even larger than the ARV
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=41455.0
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automated_Transfer_Vehicle#ATV_evolution_proposals
The new Long March (LM-5) flies:
http://gbtimes.com/china/five-things-know-about-chinas-long-march-5-rocket
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2016/11/china-long-march-5-maiden-launch/
http://spaceflightnow.com/2016/11/03/video-long-march-5-rocket-lifts-off-on-maiden-flight/
http://spaceflightnow.com/2016/11/0...ch-5-one-of-the-worlds-most-powerful-rockets/
http://www.nextbigfuture.com/2016/10/chinas-new-25-ton-capacity-long-march-5.html
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=39415.240
http://factualfiction.com/marsartists/2016/11/02/michel-lamontagne/
Some concerns over Falcon: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/experts-concerned-spacex-plan-fuel-182128618.html
But it looks like the investigation is making progress: https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2016/10/spacex-prepares-upcoming-falcon-9-amos-6/
In other LV news, India is on its way to launching all of 83 satellites in one launch:
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...tes-on-single-rocket/articleshow/55116494.cms
A new book on the Hermes Spaceplane:
https://www.amazon.com/Spaceplane-H...space&linkId=1878372cae969c69a9a980d67c981768
The proposed ERNO capsule for Ariane 5--even larger than the ARV
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=41455.0
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automated_Transfer_Vehicle#ATV_evolution_proposals
The new Long March (LM-5) flies:
http://gbtimes.com/china/five-things-know-about-chinas-long-march-5-rocket
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2016/11/china-long-march-5-maiden-launch/
http://spaceflightnow.com/2016/11/03/video-long-march-5-rocket-lifts-off-on-maiden-flight/
http://spaceflightnow.com/2016/11/0...ch-5-one-of-the-worlds-most-powerful-rockets/
http://www.nextbigfuture.com/2016/10/chinas-new-25-ton-capacity-long-march-5.html
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=39415.240
Looks more like a dildo to me so not quite the same sort of toy.
Footballs are spherical where I live but ITS isn't even shaped like a rugby ball.LockMart looks to want something similar:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=40324.msg1594021#msg1594021
It looks a bit better at least.
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=40324.msg1594021#msg1594021
It looks a bit better at least.
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A blast at their site:
http://www.wacotrib.com/news/greate...cle_a151e524-7787-5874-bc6b-b3062d09f608.html
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=41252.msg1610698#msg1610698
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=39182.msg1609866#msg1609866
Blasted finicky upper stages:
Back in 1959 I noted, to my great surprise, that the Agena, only one-fifth the size of the Thor intermediate-range ballistic missile, cost more, not less, than the Thor... Robert Truax
More on that in a bit*
The good news is that the rugged ITS tank tested well:
http://www.space.com/34759-spacex-mars-spaceship-fuel-tank-test.html
The larger designs won't need COPV helium bottles IIRC
About America's early design ethic:
*Development trends were dictated by engineers who strove for high performance. Most often they neither knew nor cared about the cost impact of their designs. High performance and light weight invariably led to complication and high cost....For most missions, a less efficient rocket can do the job of a more efficient one by making the former a bit bigger. With the Agena/Thor situation, we had data that said that efforts to make a given rocket as small as possible might be grossly misdirected.
https://teamprincipia.wordpress.com/2006/12/15/the-future-of-earth-to-orbit-propulsion/
http://www.satellitetoday.com/launch/2016/08/10/shotwell-falcon-1-will-not-return/
Truax loved pressure-feds. Beal BA-2 was to be a pressure-fed. Beal had a huge filament winding machine http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=1047
---and there was talk at nasaspaceflight that the tank--though photographed at SpaceX, wasn't made there....hmmm
A final victory for Truax BTW. The snake river canyon has at last been jumped.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/09/1...ly-powers-rocket-over-snake-river-canyon.html
As Adam and Jamies found pressure-fed rockets come in all shapes and sizes:
I just wish Elon had made Sea Dragon itself.
http://www.wacotrib.com/news/greate...cle_a151e524-7787-5874-bc6b-b3062d09f608.html
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=41252.msg1610698#msg1610698
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=39182.msg1609866#msg1609866
Blasted finicky upper stages:
Back in 1959 I noted, to my great surprise, that the Agena, only one-fifth the size of the Thor intermediate-range ballistic missile, cost more, not less, than the Thor... Robert Truax
More on that in a bit*
The good news is that the rugged ITS tank tested well:
http://www.space.com/34759-spacex-mars-spaceship-fuel-tank-test.html
The larger designs won't need COPV helium bottles IIRC
About America's early design ethic:
*Development trends were dictated by engineers who strove for high performance. Most often they neither knew nor cared about the cost impact of their designs. High performance and light weight invariably led to complication and high cost....For most missions, a less efficient rocket can do the job of a more efficient one by making the former a bit bigger. With the Agena/Thor situation, we had data that said that efforts to make a given rocket as small as possible might be grossly misdirected.
https://teamprincipia.wordpress.com/2006/12/15/the-future-of-earth-to-orbit-propulsion/
http://www.satellitetoday.com/launch/2016/08/10/shotwell-falcon-1-will-not-return/
Truax loved pressure-feds. Beal BA-2 was to be a pressure-fed. Beal had a huge filament winding machine http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=1047
---and there was talk at nasaspaceflight that the tank--though photographed at SpaceX, wasn't made there....hmmm
A final victory for Truax BTW. The snake river canyon has at last been jumped.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/09/1...ly-powers-rocket-over-snake-river-canyon.html
As Adam and Jamies found pressure-fed rockets come in all shapes and sizes:
I just wish Elon had made Sea Dragon itself.
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