Eloise/Desmond in Flashes Before Your Eyes

[Stone_Cold_Sisko]

watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxHZBeOCiAM


A very interesting watch after Happily Ever After.

I still feel like there's a piece of the puzzle missing as to how Eloise knows so much. Obviously she knows SOME stuff from having been visited by time-traveling LOSTies in her younger years, but there's still all sorts of different knowledge.

However, here's where I think the show is going:

-The universe is constantly course-correcting so Desmond is on the island and NOT with Penny. That's the sacrifice Widmore talked about. And the whole thing comes down to a choice: Go with destiny or break the universe's course correction and stay with Penny

 

[coolghoul]

^ Thanks!

Y'know - I had completely forgotten about Eloise. And her mysterious insight into whatever's going on.

Add that to the list of the questions that need to be answered by the series.

In both the items, Eloise does NOT want Desmond to be with Penny for the *now* (whatever that *now* happens to be). Very interesting.

Somehow the Desmond - Penny soap opera is very enjoyable to me. I don't quite know why. Maybe we should have a poll about why people like Desmond and Penny.

 

[cubbie]

That video was fascinating, given what we know now. I agree, there is still missing information as to how she knows so much.

 

[RoJoHen]

In both the items, Eloise does NOT want Desmond to be with Penny for the *now* (whatever that *now* happens to be). Very interesting.

It's not even that she doesn't want Desmond and Penny to be together. She seems to know that no matter what they do, they will always end up being apart. She clearly says that Desmond is not going to spend the rest of his life with Penny. It's not his path.

Now here's a wacky thought:

Is Desmond's alternate history from "Flash Before Your Eyes" a part of the same universe that we are seeing in Season 6?

 

[Rowan Sjet]

Pretty sure it's not, since in "FBYE" Des knows all about Penny, her last name is still Widmore (not the Milton of the Flash-Sideways), and he isn't very popular with her dad.

 

[RoJoHen]

Fair enough, but that's not exactly what I mean. I mean, is the universe Desmond ends up in still a flashsideways-type universe like we've been seeing this season? If he hadn't run into Eloise in the jewelry store, would he have remained oblivious and just stayed there to live out his days?

 

[coolghoul]

It's not even that she doesn't want Desmond and Penny to be together. She seems to know that no matter what they do, they will always end up being apart. She clearly says that Desmond is not going to spend the rest of his life with Penny. It's not his path.

Actually RoJoHen, in this episode I thought she told Desmond that he's not ready (but that maybe just cos she doesn't know that the series finale is only 6 eps away!! Aargh). In the youtube clip from earlier, she actually said that it's his destiny to go on the island and that the most important thing he will do in his whole life is stay on the island and "save the world".

 

[Hunter X]

I thought Eloise's wording was more along the lines that pushing that button is the "greatest thing that Desmond will ever do" and that he has to go to the Island or else everything will end. It could be said that now that he's already done all of that with his first stay on the Island, his future with Penny is open to any possibility.

Desmond and Eloise's conversations are good for highlighting one of the big themes of the series: destiny versus free-will. Desmond says in Happily Ever After that there's always a choice. Eloise doesn't seem to think so, and neither does her son, Daniel, until the end of season 5. She subscribes to the "whatever happened, happened" theory. Desmond fell sway to this theory back in Flashes Before Your Eyes at the last minute, giving up on proposing to Penny because he thinks he'll never amount to anything more. He does the opposite in Happily Ever After, seeking Penny out against Eloise's advisement.

Watching the scene in Flashes, I don't think Eloise is necessarily being completely honest with Desmond when she tells him the Island is all that is in his path, that pushing the button is the only great thing he'll do. I think she's purposely playing on his insecurities to get him to do what she wants him to do.

 

[Daosx]

I've assumed both Eloise's have Daniel Faraday's journel. That's how she knows so much, because it already happened. Eloise in FBYE knew Desmond had to go to the island the push the button, blow up the swan, get unstuck, find his constant, and leave the island. FBYE Eloise made sure that happened. It's also why at the end of The Variable she didn't know what would happen next, the journal entrys ended. Because of the destruction of the island, Happily Ever After Eloise doesn't feel drive to make sure time goes correctly, it's already been mucked up by the incident. She knows in the other time line she sent her son to the island to be killed by her in the past. In the HEE reality however, she has her son alive and well with no island to go to. So she's the oppiste of FBYE Eloise in that way. She has her son alive and no island to serve. She's concerned that Desmond meeting Penny could result in the merging of the time lines or something to that effect that would take her son from her.

FBYE Eloise: Dedicated to the island and Whatever Happened Happened. Willinigly sends her son to his death to meet this end. Has Faraday's journal which gives her knowledge of events.
HEE Eloise: The timeline is already screwed up, the island is sunk, does not want the timeline to be corrected. Has Faraday's journal which gives her knowledge of events.