Was it ever said in any of the series or movies (or novels) what part of the galaxy that Guinan and Soran's people came from?
El Aurian homeworld
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It's never been explicitly said, no. But presumably we're meant to think it's in the Delta Quadrant, because, you know, Borg.
That's what I thought. Might have made a good episode for Voyager to have found something tying to the El Aurians.
Anything to do with the El Aurians would've been a jolly sight better than that "Displaced" episode - and that's for certain! Perhaps, Voyager could've encountered assorted El Aurian spaceships travelling together, in a Caravan of Courage ...
Missed a trick with that one I feel
Actually I thought maybe the El Aurians had something like transwarp. Since they had been coming to earth at least since the 1890's. Nothing was ever explicitly stated otherwise, but I didn't get the impression it took them decades to get there.
Something that was mentioned in another thread, about some of the alien species looking completely human. The El Aurians were one of them. They just lived a lot longer.
Off topic, but I see you've got Mili Avital and the back of James Spader's head
as your new avatar, for the time being.
You have a keen eye! Yes, indeed, STARGATE is the theme - as a direct result of our having discussed the film. However, this image was not my first choice - this one was, but the file's quality proved inferior. I like it for its storybook quality, as it fits the them for "It Takes Two."Off topic, but I see you've got Mili Avital and the back of James Spader's head
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El Aurians on TNG comprised solely of Whoopie Goldberg's "Guinan," if I'm not mistaken. But it worked, her being completely Human, because of her wardrobe choices - particularly, where hats were concerned. It almost seemed to suggest like there might be something under that hat, like antennae, possibly? Or ... maybe even candy she hides? Then GENERATIONS came and she takes her hat off and it's just a Human head under there. Same with Malcolm McDowell's character, of course. But he, too, should've had that Guinan-like zen quality, to sort of evoke Whoopie's performance, a bit, but no. He could've been from Croydon, for all of the alieness he provided, and it would've changed nothing. BUT, OH WELL ... !!!
Oddly enough, even the novels (including the novelization of ST:GEN) make no mention of where the homeworld might have been located. "Far away from the UFP" might be a decent bet, since news about the assimilation didn't seem to reach UFP ears at any point (and the refugees apparently weren't telling much - of course, most of them probably hadn't seen a thing, considering they did remain alive).
But "far away" is relative, and doesn't need to mean "in another galactic quadrant altogether" in the 2260s yet. And it's not until ST:FC that our heroes quote a belief that the Borg would have something to do with the Delta Quadrant. A belief never explained, for that matter.
The Borg tend to be secretive and stealthy, and the El-Aurians listen rather than talk. For all we know, El-Aurus (?) orbited Alpha Centauri.
Timo Saloniemi
But "far away" is relative, and doesn't need to mean "in another galactic quadrant altogether" in the 2260s yet. And it's not until ST:FC that our heroes quote a belief that the Borg would have something to do with the Delta Quadrant. A belief never explained, for that matter.
The Borg tend to be secretive and stealthy, and the El-Aurians listen rather than talk. For all we know, El-Aurus (?) orbited Alpha Centauri.
Timo Saloniemi
I like the other picture better also, but unless you could have cropped it. It was probably too wide to use as an avatar.
Did she not have her hat off in that episode where she comes to Dr. Crusher's quarters complaining of pain in her elbow? Although the real reason was to get Crusher to tell her what happened (the reason Crusher was in trouble). It was the one where a group of alien scientists were on board to test a theory about shields that would work inside a star's corona (metaphasic shielding).
In the episode Descent Part 2, was there not a picture on the view screen which showed a map of the conduit they had traveled through to follow Data and the Borg drone? And on the screen it also said Delta Quadrant.
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But that's just solid proof that the Borg aren't in the Delta Quadrant - Lore went there to hide his rebels from the Collective!
It's not as if Starfleet couldn't know that the Borg are in Delta. It's just that they won't know it from the aired adventures of the TNG heroes. But Starfleet is more than those heroes, and could have authentic knowledge or misinformation that makes them think Delta is Borg City.
Is it? The Borg are in Delta, the VOY heroes know that much. But they really are everywhere. There's nothing special in Delta as far as we know, save for Unimatrix One, and the name pretty heavily suggests it's not the only one. Is it the original, the oldest, something like that? Possibly. But would that matter, to the Borg or to their victims?
The Borg being everywhere is likely to be a development that predates the assimilation of El-Aurians by millennia, or hundreds of those for all we know. So all bets are off - El-Aurus may be on a "path" between the Earth and some Borg location, or then not. Possibly there are more important Borg locations between Earth and El-Aurus than beyond either of those. Possibly the Borg don't believe in locations. Possibly there is no El-Aurus, and El-Aurians have lived a mobile life for aeons, the "home" of Guinan being some random planet, no different from Earth back when she lived there.
Possibly there's a story remaining to be told there.
Timo Saloniemi
It's not as if Starfleet couldn't know that the Borg are in Delta. It's just that they won't know it from the aired adventures of the TNG heroes. But Starfleet is more than those heroes, and could have authentic knowledge or misinformation that makes them think Delta is Borg City.
Is it? The Borg are in Delta, the VOY heroes know that much. But they really are everywhere. There's nothing special in Delta as far as we know, save for Unimatrix One, and the name pretty heavily suggests it's not the only one. Is it the original, the oldest, something like that? Possibly. But would that matter, to the Borg or to their victims?
The Borg being everywhere is likely to be a development that predates the assimilation of El-Aurians by millennia, or hundreds of those for all we know. So all bets are off - El-Aurus may be on a "path" between the Earth and some Borg location, or then not. Possibly there are more important Borg locations between Earth and El-Aurus than beyond either of those. Possibly the Borg don't believe in locations. Possibly there is no El-Aurus, and El-Aurians have lived a mobile life for aeons, the "home" of Guinan being some random planet, no different from Earth back when she lived there.
Possibly there's a story remaining to be told there.
Timo Saloniemi
I wonder if there was ever any speculation that the Borg did not originate in the Milky Way Galaxy?
In Q Who the Ent D was only moved 7000 ly, IIRC. And Guinan knew where she was and that Borg were there. The Borg had already made strong BQ incursions.
It would have been great to see some more of the Borg encounters in the manner we did in "Q Who". Ya know... before they got boring and not scary.
The stuff with Hue, while good, put too much of a human spin on the Borg... they became more benign when we see them with Lore. I much preferred the terror they instilled that felt like the first time you played Starcraft and got overwhelmed by mass swarms of Zerg.
Wasn't there an El Aurian featured in an episode of DS9? What was his story?
Here's what MEMORY ALPHA has to say about El Aurians:
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/El-Aurian_system
Whilst I'm not convinced this site is entirely accurate in all things STAR TREK - there does seem to be some interpretation, throughout - it may hold your answers. It even discusses the DS9 episode "Rivals," which I believe you're referring to, Tracy Trek.
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/El-Aurian_system
Whilst I'm not convinced this site is entirely accurate in all things STAR TREK - there does seem to be some interpretation, throughout - it may hold your answers. It even discusses the DS9 episode "Rivals," which I believe you're referring to, Tracy Trek.
Presumably, their homeworld has been either destroyed or assimilated by the borg and that's why the remaining El-Aurians are scattered over the quadrant/galaxy.
Then how did you feel about 7 of 9?
Seven of Nine was too good looking to remain a borg.
Well ... I don't know about all that.
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