Edge of Midnight Base Map - Work in Progress

[CaptChris42]

In FIREWALL, what you call H'Atoria sector the Fenris Rangers call Qiris sector. Maybe we can chalk it up to a cultural divide, a la Istanbul vs. Constantinople.

Ah yes, alternate sector names can be a very useful fix.

Also, speaking of Gonmog - any rough ideas on world placements from Vanguard? Erilon, etc?

I also know from KRAD's references in the Gorkon novels, that the Kavrot Sector was towards Canis Major, and thus maybe near Adhara...?

 

[David Mack]

Ah yes, alternate sector names can be a very useful fix.

Also, speaking of Gonmog - any rough ideas on world placements from Vanguard? Erilon, etc?

Not really. We left most of the Vanguard locations semi-nebulous by choice. All we can say for certain is that the Taurus Reach/Gonmog sector is the long stretch of space between the Klingon Empire and the Tholian Assembly, where once the Tkon Empire reigned....

As far as the Qiris sector and the location of Freecloud in my upcoming novel Firewall, I’ve posted a lengthy thread about that on Bluesky.

 

[DEWLine]

Deeply honoured, David.

I'm also standing on a lot of good people's shoulders here. And thanks for sharing. This is going to be fun to play with over the next weeks to months.

 

[CaptChris42]

Not really. We left most of the Vanguard locations semi-nebulous by choice. All we can say for certain is that the Taurus Reach/Gonmog sector is the long stretch of space between the Klingon Empire and the Tholian Assembly, where once the Tkon Empire reigned....

As far as the Qiris sector and the location of Freecloud in my upcoming novel Firewall, I’ve posted a lengthy thread about that on Bluesky.

Well - I am in awe. You really went to town on that one, and I'm looking forward to dipping into the novel!
Noting also that Iconia is supposedly within a sector of Freecloud (but not on Mandel's map refinements, notably) I am wondering if solid data for that system's location is also now tractable.

And would be significant both for future Picard related lore - plus Star Trek Online, to a lesser degree.
I don't suppose we can expect to see any mention of it - quite soon?

 

[David Mack]

Well - I am in awe. You really went to town on that one, and I'm looking forward to dipping into the novel!

Thanks!

Noting also that Iconia is supposedly within a sector of Freecloud (but not on Mandel's map refinements, notably) I am wondering if solid data for that system's location is also now tractable.

I’m not sure what you mean by this. Iconia is shown on page 67 of Mandel’s Star Trek Star Charts as being on the edge of the Romulan Neutral Zone.

 

[publiusr]

There is something being used called a “SETI ellipsoid” that looks a bit like the Neutral Zone as depicted in Star Trek II that may interest you.

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[DEWLine]

This one?

 

[CaptChris42]

Thanks!

I’m not sure what you mean by this. Iconia is shown on page 67 of Mandel’s Star Trek Star Charts as being on the edge of the Romulan Neutral Zone.

My apologies: I was more referring to placing it in a precise constellation or arc/elevation definition.
Really more of a fitting request to Dwight (DEW) to be honest.
Sorry to trouble you.

 

[DEWLine]

Yes, Iconia was inside the RNZ, per "TNG: Contagion". Which I've left out of the EoM base map due to that discovery not being made during the EoM timeframe. And as for Miri's World, a similar stricture applies as that world won't become known by that name until the visit by Kirk's Enterprise.

There's some discussion among the Tranquility Press crowd about a possible Dominion War project, which won't be subject to those strictures. I have some thoughts about how to map out such an oral history-style project, as you might suspect...

 

[DEWLine]

Update!

EoM-DisputedZone-26Feb2024-A by Dwight Williams, on Flickr

 

[publiusr]

That is wonderful!

 

[DEWLine]

Thank you kindly!

(Fenris and Soroya and R'o and Deerlam and Mantiev (among others) are driving me batty!)

 

[CaptChris42]

Update!

EoM-DisputedZone-26Feb2024-A by Dwight Williams, on Flickr

It's coming along real nice, I must say. I also don't suppose there's a possible side view, coming at some stage, down the line?

Also, one particular piece of headcanon I've at times invoked, to align earlier books, maps and lore more easily... is that the Tholians have an 'Annex' or 'Holdfast' near Hyades cluster, and thus much closer to Klingon territory, than many modern maps show.

Could also be feasible, if they do take undetected shortcuts through Interspace, to get there, maybe?

 

[DEWLine]

Right now, I don't know how to deal with the Tholian angles. It depends on where the EoM narrative goes, to some extent.

 

[CaptChris42]

Right now, I don't know how to deal with the Tholian angles. It depends on where the EoM narrative goes, to some extent.

Possibly as sort of opportunistic raiders during times of distraction, I suppose? It depends also how much of the Vanguard novels you want to integrate, too.
We do know that even as late as TNG 'The Emissary' that Tholian-Klingon politics could also be tightly inter-bound at times.

Finally - do you have more info on the Betreka nebula, and where you precisely located it? It's likely to be pretty important to my (long planned) Cardassian war era story.

 

[DEWLine]

I would love to work in elements of the Vanguard novels into this. I suspect John Concagh is of similar opinion, given his references to the Taurus Reach. Since it's a far outlier from the rest of the Disputed Zone, though, we may leave that off of the base map for the time being.

As for the Betreka Nebula...that placement was partly decided by HYGMap.space's current stance re: the positioning of Bajor and Cardassia. I wanted it roughly halfway between the Galactic Equatorial border of the Klingons and Bajor and Cardassia at the other end.

As for the proposal of a "side view" of the region? I think I'd need to learn Blender. Or get help from someone who already knows it as a cartographer should.

 

[CanSoc]

Right now, I don't know how to deal with the Tholian angles. It depends on where the EoM narrative goes, to some extent.

Speaking as the author, I haven't got a clue either! I do like the idea of the Tholian "annexe" of space near the Taurus Reach. A lot of my interpretation of Tholian astropolitics is based on how they're presented in "Early Voyages" with a large number of client races who do their dirty work for them, on top of a rather unconventional attitude to expansion and respecting other people's claims. I suspect though, their main point of contact with the Klingons is well off Dwight's Map, down by the Taurus Reach.

 

[publiusr]

Perhaps have the Tholian Holdfast as an angular compass rose

 

[DEWLine]

I think I have a candidate for Fenris, though it might mean putting Qiris Sector at Z=-60 to -80 lightyears, rather than -100 to -120 as I'd hoped.

Gaia DR3 4799899598533724672.
http://hygmap.space/index.php?select_star=10173677&select_center=1

https://simbad.u-strasbg.fr/simbad/...&Radius=2&Radius.unit=arcmin&submit=submit+id

Meanwhile, I need to find a way to keep Fenris and Soroya out of the reach of the Imperial Klingon States...

Suggestions, anyone?

 

[CanSoc]

I think I have a candidate for Fenris, though it might mean putting Qiris Sector at Z=-60 to -80 lightyears, rather than -100 to -120 as I'd hoped.

Gaia DR3 4799899598533724672.
http://hygmap.space/index.php?select_star=10173677&select_center=1

https://simbad.u-strasbg.fr/simbad/...&Radius=2&Radius.unit=arcmin&submit=submit+id

Meanwhile, I need to find a way to keep Fenris and Soroya out of the reach of the Imperial Klingon States...

Suggestions, anyone?

There's part of me that's inclined to have Fenris be within IKS space, and have its' prominence come out of the collapse of the IKS in the late 2290s. Bit of historical flair.