Eddington's vitriolic assessment of The Federation

[Orphalesion]

Not only that, but the Federation has access to the complete flora of many, many planets. And it's not unlikely that somewhere there's a plant that's very like tomatoes in taste, but that grows in environments that are difficult for Terran tomatoes. Like there might be some Andorian "tomatoes" that grow on planets that are too damp and cold for our tomatoes, or Vulcan "tomatoes" that grow in places too hot and dry.
And even if not, the Federation probably has access to GM vegetables, and much more sophisticated techniques to create and alter them, shouldn't be too difficult to create some hardier tomatoes.

In the end, Eddington is just full of himself.

 

[Ragitsu]

I wonder if Star Trek features agricultural planets in the manner of Star Wars; "Planet Tomato", anyone?

In the end, Eddington is just full of himself.

...but not fresh tomatoes, apparently.

 

[DonIago]

Not only that, but the Federation has access to the complete flora of many, many planets. And it's not unlikely that somewhere there's a plant that's very like tomatoes in taste, but that grows in environments that are difficult for Terran tomatoes. Like there might be some Andorian "tomatoes" that grow on planets that are too damp and cold for our tomatoes, or Vulcan "tomatoes" that grow in places too hot and dry.
And even if not, the Federation probably has access to GM vegetables, and much more sophisticated techniques to create and alter them, shouldn't be too difficult to create some hardier tomatoes.

In the end, Eddington is just full of himself.

HUMAN TOMATOES FOR HUMAN BODIES!!!

I kid, but seriously, Eddington's spiels not only recall Alixus from "Paradise" or the New Essentialists, but to me hint at xenophobia as well, and I wonder how any non-humans among the Maquis might have felt listening to some of his "musings".

 

[Orphalesion]

I wonder if Star Trek features agricultural planets in the manner of Star Wars; "Planet Tomato", anyone?

I could swear at some point in TNG and/or 90s Trek something was said about specialized planets or colonies. I mean they have a pleasure planet (Risa) and the First Season mentioned a planet called "Parliament" (which, does kinda sound specialized)

I kid, but seriously, Eddington's spiels not only recall Alixus from "Paradise"

Yeah those two would deserve each other.

or the New Essentialists, but to me hint at xenophobia as well, and I wonder how any non-humans among the Maquis might have felt listening to some of his "musings".

They were bored to sleep by his incessant references to some Earth Novel that was written in an archaic language.

 

[MarkusTay]

How'd you guys get on Tomatoes, of all subjects? I thought we were talking about the ebils of osmosis colonialism?
I used to complain a lot about 'the government'. Its America's favorite past-time. Its probably everybody's favorite past-time. I had a lawyer friend, and I was griping about 'the system' to him. And he let me vent, and I told him everything wrong with everything, and he was smiling the whole time. When I was done, he just said, "you're absolutely right".

Then he said, "So come up with a better system and I'll be right behind you supporting it".
The bottom line is, THERE IS NO PERFECT SYSTEM. You have to find one that hurts the least amount of people the least amount of times.

And even if not, the Federation probably has access to GM vegetables, and much more sophisticated techniques to create and alter them, shouldn't be too difficult to create some hardier tomatoes.

 

[Ragitsu]

Do you think Starfleet/The Federation learned from the Michael Eddington defection?

Its America's favorite past-time. Its probably everybody's favorite past-time.

[Brian Blessed]"Pastime", my boy. PASTIME![/Brian Blessed]

 

[fireproof78]

Do you think Starfleet/The Federation learned from the Michael Eddington defection?

No. Starfleet doesn't learn from one or two lessons.

 

[Arpy]

Do you think Starfleet/The Federation learned from the Michael Eddington defection?

Yes. They put counselors back on the bridge.

 

[Qonundrum]

Not only that, but the Federation has access to the complete flora of many, many planets. And it's not unlikely that somewhere there's a plant that's very like tomatoes in taste, but that grows in environments that are difficult for Terran tomatoes. Like there might be some Andorian "tomatoes" that grow on planets that are too damp and cold for our tomatoes, or Vulcan "tomatoes" that grow in places too hot and dry.
And even if not, the Federation probably has access to GM vegetables, and much more sophisticated techniques to create and alter them, shouldn't be too difficult to create some hardier tomatoes.

In the end, Eddington is just full of himself.

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Yup! He just loves adjectives... if he used some of those on the actual plants, they'd grow real healthy - far better than most other forms of fertilizer!

 

[kkt]

"Eat it or don't eat it, Eddington, but do it quietly."

 

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Yup! He just loves adjectives... if he used some of those on the actual plants, they'd grow real healthy - far better than most other forms of fertilizer!

The next time I nosh on some cherry tomatoes, I'll think of Eddington...

...for all of one microsecond.

 

[Orphalesion]

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Yup! He just loves adjectives... if he used some of those on the actual plants, they'd grow real healthy - far better than most other forms of fertilizer!

Yes. Despite all modern technology manure is still the best fertilizer

 

[at Quark's]

I was forgotten how plainly annoying Eddington could be. Instead of simply saying he didn't really care for this course or replicator meals in general (which is his good right), he feels the need to use it as a Grand Illustration of Why the Federation is Fake.

That said, if he has been in prison for an extended period of time, being fed the same courses over and over on a 7-day schedule (each monday replicator menu 103, each tuesday replicator menu 217, etc.) I could imagine him being cranky when, even when taken out of prison to help with a mission he still gets that same menu served.

 

[Farscape One]

He really didn't have a right to complain. He was out of a cell, and even though he was handcuffed, he could still move about.

(Honestly, I wouldn't have let him walk about like that. At best, tied to one of the chairs, with the consoles near him turned off.)

 

[kkt]

He really didn't have a right to complain. He was out of a cell, and even though he was handcuffed, he could still move about.

(Honestly, I wouldn't have let him walk about like that. At best, tied to one of the chairs, with the consoles near him turned off.)

Yeah, but if Sisko wants Eddington's cooperation Sisko will have to show some small degree of trust.

 

[Farscape One]

Good point. Though given his knowledge of security codes and computer viruses, he would still pose a danger in front of a console while Sisko's back was turned.

 

[kkt]

Good point. Though given his knowledge of security codes and computer viruses, he would still pose a danger in front of a console while Sisko's back was turned.

Eddington had years to plant the viruses in the Defiant and DS9. I don't think he's going to be able to plant a virus in the runabout's computer in a couple of minutes while Sisko's in the bathroom.

 

[Farscape One]

He took a long time to create one so Odo and O'Brien wouldn't be able to detect them. Sisko wasn't likely going to find one anyway given that's not his specialty.

He may not have time to put in a virus, but he certainly could alter a few things in a couple minutes... things that could have given him an opportunity to escape or kill Sisko.

 

[Arpy]

It’s a cheesy TV show.

That said, maybe shuttle travel is dangerous and he wanted him to be able to lend a hand if the deuterium hit the fan.

 

[Qonundrum]

It’s a cheesy TV show.

That said, maybe shuttle travel is dangerous and he wanted him to be able to lend a hand if the deuterium hit the fan.

Shuttlecraft travel supposedly was, sorta, in the TNG season 4 episode that introduced the Trill, complete with that big scene of "we can't use transporters because of the oversize salamander in us, so we'll use the shuttle and set up some real drama but then in the last half-second forget that the shuttle isn't breaking up despite just saying that loudly!" Per the transcript:

RIKER: Increasing power to the shields.
(the ship starts taking pot-shots at them. at least one hits them)
(Odan is thrown out of his seat and the shuttle is damaged)
PICARD: Engage tractor beam. Report, Number One.
RIKER [OC]: We've lost port thrusters
RIKER: And both backup stabilisers. I'm losing control!
PICARD [OC]: We're bringing you in.
(the tractor beam grabs them and the other ship veers off)
RIKER: Captain, the shuttle hull has been weakened. We're breaking up! You can't tow us, you'd better beam us directly on board!
ODAN: No, don't do it!
RIKER: But I can't stabilize the shuttle!
ODAN: If you transport me, it will kill me!
PICARD [OC]: Number One we're ready to beam you aboard.
RIKER: Belay that order Captain, I'll bring her in manually.

The shuttle repaired itself in the matter of seconds thanks to the power of plottadope! No dialogue was required to explain any of how the dire straits wasn't anything of the sort at all! Woohoo!

He really didn't have a right to complain. He was out of a cell, and even though he was handcuffed, he could still move about.

(Honestly, I wouldn't have let him walk about like that. At best, tied to one of the chairs, with the consoles near him turned off.)

Doesn't that usually happen only after the honeymoon, and with an agreed-upon safe word, such as "banana"?