Eddington's vitriolic assessment of The Federation
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We have seen Bajoran Maquis, but they are easy to explain why they are fighting with the Maquis against Cardassians. There was Lon Suder, a Betazoid... he was a sociopath that enjoyed killing too much and used the Maquis as an outlet for that urge. B'Elanna, who also was looking for a fight after she dropped out of the Academy.
Ironically, we got more non-human Maquis on VOYAGER than DS9. This could be by design, as DS9 loved to hold the shiny Earth utopia under a microscope and challenge it. Humans being the obvious choice for that since that's where we, as a species, started from.
Ironically, we got more non-human Maquis on VOYAGER than DS9. This could be by design, as DS9 loved to hold the shiny Earth utopia under a microscope and challenge it. Humans being the obvious choice for that since that's where we, as a species, started from.
She was a very strange Vulcan. Wouldn"t surprise me if she were half human or Romulan or something.
Mikey had a bout of glaucoma that day.
She was probably written in to primarily function as Quark's (intellectual) punching bag.
Yes, Sakonna, in "THE MAQUIS" two-parter.
Yes, this I would agree with. The question is whether or not that is justified.
The Maquis think it is. The Federation think it isn't.
But either way, the Maquis are not the aggressors.
Yes, and I don't believe non-lethal stoning could lead to the kind of pervasive fear Hudson describes.
Prefacing an opinion by stating "to be honest" does not render it factual. That said...why do you feel that way?
Idk why you're being like this
Anyways, they basically abandoned Federation citizens to the Cardassians and didn't intervene to protect Bajor but expect the Klingons and Romulans to come to their aid and even committed war crimes to get the latter into the war and to stop the Changelings. They were about honoring peace and non-aggression until it didn't suit them
My bad. I am accustomed to folks introducing their POVs with "To be honest" as a way of preemptively implying veracity in whatever they're going to say.
Ultimately, that wasn't The Federation as a whole...that was Garak's doing; Sisko was "merely" an accessory after the fact.
Sorry, didn't mean to react like that. I understand now. I only say tbh to say my own personal feelings. I avoid speaking for others or acting like I'm objectively correct unless I can really back it up
Correct, but there was also section 31. But I'm also referring to the general attitude of not wanting to interfere with others, even Federation citizens, when those others need help but expecting others to come to their aid when they need it themselves.
Let's see if that's true.
I had a squizz at MemAlpha, and these are the species seen to be be Maquis as far as I could find. Please correct me if I've made a mistake.
VOY: Human. Bajoran. Bolian. Partial Klingon. Betazoid. Vulcan.
DS9: Human. Bajoran. Bolian. Klingon. Vulcan. Plus two or three "unknown" aliens.
Both the concept and the execution have bothered me to this day. That organization is a Brobdingnagian middle finger to the very idea of the United Federation of Planets.
Yea that's somewhat how DS9 makes the Federation look bad.
And tbh, the concept of the Federation being a pluralistic society is good but in execution it doesn't always come off that way
The Maquis colonists were given the option to leave by the Federation but CHOSE to stay there, which means they were not abandoned. The Maquis and those colonists didn't want to bother with peace. And Bajor was not a Federation member... Bajor is not even in Federation space, so they couldn't intervene when the Cardassians occupied them.
Regarding the Klingons, they had an alliance with the Federation... at the very least, a treaty with them. It's the same expectation that the U.N. or NATO would have of the U.S. to give assistance.
I agree about the Romulans, though... but given the existential threat the Dominion posed, it was a necessary evil.
I should probably clarify what I'm saying.
I agree we see the same amount of alien Maquis on both shows, but we don't really get any perspective or dialogue from any on DS9 except for humans and a Vulcan, Sakonna. Not even from a Bajoran member, though it wouldn't be difficult to figure out their motivations.
On VOY, we get dialogue and some perspective from humans, a Betazoid (Suder), Bajorans (Garron and Tabor), a half-Klingon (B'Elanna), and a Bolian (Chell). (I don't count Seska, as she was a Cardassian agent.) So more variety of perspective other than a human one.
The Maquis get an entirely human viewpoint on DS9 because humans are the only ones, except for Sakonna, with any dialogue: the colonist leaders in "THE MAQUIS" two-parter, Samuels, Hudson, Eddington, Tom Riker, Kalita and the other guy on the bridge from "DEFIANT", Rebecca (Eddington's wife), and the guy in the shadows talking to Bashir in "TRIBUNAL".
I realize the Bajorans weren't Fed members but at the same time that didn't make the Federation allowing the Cardassians to invade them ok. Like I said, the Federation expected the Romulans to aid them and the Romulans were their enemies!
Nor is it ok to force Federation colonists to leave their homes due to trying to find peace with a fascist state the Federation was already far more powerful than. Those colonists lived there. Saying "you guys need to move" isn't a fair option.
Nor is it ok to force Federation colonists to leave their homes due to trying to find peace with a fascist state the Federation was already far more powerful than. Those colonists lived there. Saying "you guys need to move" isn't a fair option.
The Federation can't police the whole damn galaxy. It's not fair what happened to the Bajorans, but you can't expect the Federation to go to war with a power over a single planet that is not only not a member but not even in their space.
And by the way, the Federation didn't expect the Romulans to aid them in the war. It was Sisko and Garak who wanted it and got them into the war. (Sisko did get the idea from the conversation over the casualty list with Bashir and Dax, though. And Starfleet did give Sisko's plan their blessing. But the Federation itself never seemed to even consider the Romulans helping them. So no, they didn't expect aid from their enemies.
Also, I never said it was fair what happened to the colonists in the DMZ. It was a bad treaty, but it was still made to try to maintain peace with another power. And those colonists knew it was a hot zone when they moved there 20 years ago, according to dialogue in "THE MAQUIS, PART II". With all the empty habitable planets within Federation space, they picked worlds in the middle of a war zone. And they get pissed at the Federation because the colonists are the ones that made bad choices? That behavior is as bratty and entitled as the Skreea in "SANCTUARY" were acting when they kept insisting on going to Bajor instead of graciously accepting an entire world that was given to them.