To follow Timo's idea,I believe Changs idea was to come to the chancellors 'rescue' by decloaking and blowing away a surprised Enterprise with 'his' BoP-after which a war with the Federation would be more or less de facto then.A grateful chancellor(Gorkons daughter) would then promote ' heroic ' Chang to a leadership position-but Kirks surrender killed all of that.
OTOH, I'm far from convinced that Chang was aboard the targeted ship. After all, one possible outcome of the incident would have been a battle where the Enterprise resisted Chang's demand for surrender, and that battle might well go very badly for Kronos 1 because she had been damaged already.
Oh, Enterprise would perish all right - but Chang's main worry would be about whether Kronos 1 would survive the battle. He'd still be safer aboard the BoP...
either Kirk is allowed to destroy the cruiser, making him even more of a villain, and then sneakily stabbed in the back by the cloakship - or then Kirk is blown to bits by the cloakship right at the beginning.
It was Chang who called Kirk with the threat, so it looks like he at least informally took command. As a general and chief of staff he was probably the highest-ranking surviving member of the Klingon military on board, and I imagine if a man like Chang walks (floats?) onto the bridge angry, you follow his orders. Even if he wasn't technically in command, he'll still be the face of the battle to the people back home.(Incidentally, why would he lead the battle? Neither he nor Gorkon were part of the ship's crew as fas as we know - merely VIP passengers. Surely the battle cruiser had a captain of its own? Unless it was a Klingon thing for, say, Gorkon to be the CO of his own "ship of state"...)
But no more than the exposure from firing the two initial torpedoes. If all goes to plan, after the battle, the only solid evidence for the BoP's existence would be in Kronos One's sensor logs which are easy enough to edit; after all, Chang managed to hide the logs that would have shown the torpedo coming from somewhere below the Enterprise.I guess the question is, how can the BoP contribute to the battle without being exposed? Above Khitomer, she clearly wasn't a first-shot-kills threat to a starship... So some degree of exposure would have to accompany a tactically decisive use of the cloakship.
I'd still think Chang would want to be aboard his BoP for placing the few tactically and politically crucial shots.
Hard to tell. All other torpedoes ever fired by BoPs have been very conspicuously green. Interestingly, they have consistently scored only disabling damage (ST3, ST5, ST:GEN), or then surprise and disappointment has been expressed when destructive damage occurred (ST3) - perhaps optimal weaponry for a cloaked raider designed to prey on enemy commerce rather than directly confront enemy combat forces?Where the torpedoes that different from the standard Klingon ones? It's an interesting idea.
Quite true. I'd just think that the secret weapon would be very much Chang's secret weapon, and he might take Klingon pride in personally operating it - and perhaps would also plan for the contingency of losing Kronos 1.I can see how it is possible, I just don't see the great advantage to Chang that would warrant having to explain both what the BoP was doing there and why he ran from Kronos One at the first sign of trouble. Unless, fo course, Kronos One was in far worse shape than I thought.
After all, the first two red torps had to match Starfleet signature to withstand early scrutiny. And it was those same red balls that the BoP spat out above Khitomer... I'd like to believe that Cartwright sold Chang some Starfleet tech secrets or even actual torps in order to make the masquerade convincing - and that he used a sales pitch where he emphasized that Chang wanted torps that would knock out the gravity, but wouldn't destroy the unshielded battle cruiser outright.
After all, the first two red torps had to match Starfleet signature to withstand early scrutiny. And it was those same red balls that the BoP spat out above Khitomer... I'd like to believe that Cartwright sold Chang some Starfleet tech secrets or even actual torps in order to make the masquerade convincing - and that he used a sales pitch where he emphasized that Chang wanted torps that would knock out the gravity, but wouldn't destroy the unshielded battle cruiser outright.
One thing I wish had been kept from the novelization is the implication that the Enterprise's torpedo system generates a small amount of neutrons when it's active, which is mentioned just before Kronos I is torpedoed and also gives a context to Chekov's line about how a neutrino surge "that large" could only belong to another ship. This raises the question for the reader about whether the conspirators could have gained access to the E's torpedo system, and whether they fired the initial salvos.
I think that's almost a given. If Chang had been inside the conference room, he would have been expected to defend Gorkon, which would only make the assassination attempt more complicating. And it would require the attackers to know they couldn't fire on Chang, thus confirming him as the mole on the Klingon side should Valeris fail in neutralizing them. It was easiest for him to conveniently disappear.Perhaps Chang was missing from the Chancellor's briefing room so as to not have to explain why, post-assassination, he was the only one not shot?
I'm not sure Chang would be the man to be put forward. He struck me as a follower, not a leader; a good soldier, but not one who is happy sitting in an office making decisions. My guess would be the conspirators had groomed their own replacement and, failing that, were counting on Azetbur being sufficiently overcome with grief that they could play her like a fiddle (as is shown, to an extent, in the briefing right after she contacts the Federation president). Unfortunately for them, Azetbur was at least as professional and passionate a politician as her father. Underestimating her is what lead the plot to unravel; with no immediate war, Chang had to think on his feet, and while he had the right idea with Kirk's staged escape he became sloppy at Khitomer.I think Chang expected to wrangle the Chancellorship away from Azetbur if things had gone according to plan and they had ended up in full scale war, and the High Council would have probably gone along with it. Indeed, one might wonder if one of the other candidates considered in the intervening time between the assassination and Azetbur's appointment was Chang.
I don't think the conspirators were taking the loss of the Enterprise as a given. At the very least they considered her survival likely enough to place an agent on-board with orders to both forge the ship's records and tie up the loose end of the assassins.I think the Enterprise's destruction was a key part of his plan [...] It makes it rather interesting psychologically on Valeris's part, especially since she seemed smart enough to realize it if this was part of the plan, and logical enough not to say anything if it was.
I think that's almost a given. If Chang had been inside the conference room, he would have been expected to defend Gorkon, which would only make the assassination attempt more complicating. And it would require the attackers to know they couldn't fire on Chang, thus confirming him as the mole on the Klingon side should Valeris fail in neutralizing them. It was easiest for him to conveniently disappear.
That scene was actually why I thought he was annoyed at not being made Chancellor. I suppose I envisioned him as more like Gowron during the Klingon Civil War on TNG than sitting behind a desk. You do have a valid point about his personality though, I don't think political power was the goal for him at all. Glory, yes, in the truest Klingon sense, but not power. The 'Klingon Academy' game with Plummer and Warner playing their respective characters has some interesting insights in this regard but I wouldn't call it really conclusive.I'm not sure Chang would be the man to be put forward. He struck me as a follower, not a leader; a good soldier, but not one who is happy sitting in an office making decisions. My guess would be the conspirators had groomed their own replacement and, failing that, were counting on Azetbur being sufficiently overcome with grief that they could play her like a fiddle (as is shown, to an extent, in the briefing right after she contacts the Federation president).
Agreed there. Her leadership was defintely something they didn't expect or count on, and is probably what caused them to plot the assassination of the Federation President, combined with (on the Federation conspirators' part) the President's reluctance to commit to hostilies. Basically, I see there being these two (well, three) leaders who are committed to the idea of peace, being poked and prodded by these two separate cabals of war hawks who have the same goal but different reasons, and neither politician was able to be overcome, hence the plot failing.Unfortunately for them, Azetbur was at least as professional and passionate a politician as her father. Underestimating her is what lead the plot to unravel; with no immediate war, Chang had to think on his feet, and while he had the right idea with Kirk's staged escape he became sloppy at Khitomer.
Maybe not a given. I think the Klingons expected it, though, and I think Cartwright was prepared for it. In either case, it's my belief that the loss of the Enterprise would have served the cause of war better - the Klingons have a martyr to fight for (Gorkon) and the Federation have a martyr to fight for (Enterprise.)I don't think the conspirators were taking the loss of the Enterprise as a given. At the very least they considered her survival likely enough to place an agent on-board with orders to both forge the ship's records and tie up the loose end of the assassins.
Still, it sheds a whole new light on Valeris pushing Kirk to take an aggressive posture against Chang when he brough Kronos One around for the counter-attack. Even if she wasn't expecting to die, you're 100% correct she was evidently ready to risk it.
The only thing I can bring up against that is the fact the Enterprise wasn't destroyed. Chang had the ship dead-to-rights; she was sitting unshielded after launching an unprovoked attack. If Chang had pulled the trigger, nobody on the Klingon side would have dreamed of complaining. But he didn't - he stood down and allowed Kirk and McCoy to beam on-board. This, to me, suggests the Enterprise' destruction wasn't a key point of either the Klingon or Federation end of the plot. I do agree it's a possible outcome both Cartwright and Chang had expected and accepted.Maybe not a given. I think the Klingons expected it, though, and I think Cartwright was prepared for it. In either case, it's my belief that the loss of the Enterprise would have served the cause of war better - the Klingons have a martyr to fight for (Gorkon) and the Federation have a martyr to fight for (Enterprise.)
I wouldn't be surprised if it had full, albeit off-the-record, backing from the Romulan government. It's too good an opportunity to miss out on, no? Here you have your two arch-enemies joining in an effort to utterly wreck each other. You'd be mad not to prod them on a little.Further, even though we know Nanclus was in on the plan, I can't help but wonder how many other Romulans were in on it?
The only thing I can bring up against that is the fact the Enterprise wasn't destroyed. Chang had the ship dead-to-rights; she was sitting unshielded after launching an unprovoked attack. If Chang had pulled the trigger, nobody on the Klingon side would have dreamed of complaining. But he didn't - he stood down and allowed Kirk and McCoy to beam on-board. This, to me, suggests the Enterprise' destruction wasn't a key point of either the Klingon or Federation end of the plot. I do agree it's a possible outcome both Cartwright and Chang had expected and accepted.Maybe not a given. I think the Klingons expected it, though, and I think Cartwright was prepared for it. In either case, it's my belief that the loss of the Enterprise would have served the cause of war better - the Klingons have a martyr to fight for (Gorkon) and the Federation have a martyr to fight for (Enterprise.)
Cartwright was mad enough to sacrifice Kirk, but I have a hard time seeing him as mad enough to deliberately sacrifice the Enterprise. It would make a sick sort of sense to do so - like you say, "Remember the Enterprise!" - but the combination of the Cartwright we saw in ST IV and Chang's mercy make me think it wasn't an outcome anyone was hoping for. I could be wrong, though; it's not easy dissecting a plot with multiple backup plots where half the plotters have goals opposite to the other half.
That makes sense. Nanclus schmoozed up to the President (perhaps having known him when he was just a Councillor) and used this to get into his inner circle when he was elected President.I wouldn't be surprised if it had full, albeit off-the-record, backing from the Romulan government. It's too good an opportunity to miss out on, no? Here you have your two arch-enemies joining in an effort to utterly wreck each other. You'd be mad not to prod them on a little.Further, even though we know Nanclus was in on the plan, I can't help but wonder how many other Romulans were in on it?
As for Nanclus; I don't think there's any reasonable way to explain how he was so chummy, except perhaps by saying he was literally chummy. The Federation president may have blurred the line between Nanclus-the-ambassador and, perhaps, Nanclus-the-close-friend to the point where he got too close. Complete conjecture, of course.
I don't think he started winging it until after Azetbur restarted the peace process. The assassination is too neat to be even partly improvised; if you think about it, virtually every contingency was covered by the original plan. It's only after Kirk's trial that the conspiracy came apart at the seams, and it think that's because it's the point where Chang gets cut off from the more politically-minded plotters and finds himself forced to think like the cloak-and-dagger spook he obviously isn't. The machinations after this point are almost amateuristic: the warden on Rura Penthe knowing way more details of the plot than he could possibly need, Chang trying to intercept Kirk himself and toying with him, West trying to kill the President himself; these are actions of people who have lost sight of the overall picture and are falling back on what they do best, wether it makes sense or not.I guess it all depends just how much you want to attirbute to planning and how much you want to say Chang was just winging it.
He was certainly willing to risk the Enterprise, no doubt about that, and he was just as certainly willing to sacrifice however many Federation citizens would die in the war he was trying to start. Thing is, I can see a man like Cartwright rationalize risking all those lives by telling himself he isn't condemning them. He strikes me as the person who, for himself, would need to make a mental disconnect between placing people in a potentially lethal situation and ensuring their death outright, with that being a line he won't cross. If Kirk and the Enterprise are destroyed because Kirk will not surrender, so be it, the blood won't be on his hands since they were not in an inescapable situation. If he signs off on Chang destroying the Enterprise as part of the plot, he's a murderer. The distinction may be technical but for a man who needs to convince himself he's doing the right thing, that very distinction is vital.Regarding Cartwright, I guess I was thinking of those WWII conspiracy theories that say FDR and the higher-ups knew that Pearl Harbor was going to happen and wanted to use it to justify going to war. I don't really believe that either, but I think that's where I was basing my extrapolation of the whole scenario from.
Non-interference sounds right. Apart perhaps from the cloak that's the only part of the plot they could contribute, and I doubt they're going to give the Klingons military technology.I wonder just why Nanclus would be in on it - what could he offer to the conspirators? Support on the Federation side, or merely a pledge not to interfere on behalf of the Klingons
I don't think he started winging it until after Azetbur restarted the peace process. The assassination is too neat to be even partly improvised; if you think about it, virtually every contingency was covered by the original plan. It's only after Kirk's trial that the conspiracy came apart at the seams, and it think that's because it's the point where Chang gets cut off from the more politically-minded plotters and finds himself forced to think like the cloak-and-dagger spook he obviously isn't. The machinations after this point are almost amateuristic: the warden on Rura Penthe knowing way more details of the plot than he could possibly need, Chang trying to intercept Kirk himself and toying with him, West trying to kill the President himself; these are actions of people who have lost sight of the overall picture and are falling back on what they do best, wether it makes sense or not.I guess it all depends just how much you want to attirbute to planning and how much you want to say Chang was just winging it.
In any case, I think Chang had prepared himself for a wide range of scenarios. It's the political side of the plot that failed him by miscalculating the force needed to derail the peace process.
I agree with that too. They had a fighting chance, but there was a good chance they wouldn't come back, and Cartwright could probably live with it.He was certainly willing to risk the Enterprise, no doubt about that, and he was just as certainly willing to sacrifice however many Federation citizens would die in the war he was trying to start. Thing is, I can see a man like Cartwright rationalize risking all those lives by telling himself he isn't condemning them. He strikes me as the person who, for himself, would need to make a mental disconnect between placing people in a potentially lethal situation and ensuring their death outright, with that being a line he won't cross. If Kirk and the Enterprise are destroyed because Kirk will not surrender, so be it, the blood won't be on his hands since they were not in an inescapable situation. If he signs off on Chang destroying the Enterprise as part of the plot, he's a murderer. The distinction may be technical but for a man who needs to convince himself he's doing the right thing, that very distinction is vital.Regarding Cartwright, I guess I was thinking of those WWII conspiracy theories that say FDR and the higher-ups knew that Pearl Harbor was going to happen and wanted to use it to justify going to war. I don't really believe that either, but I think that's where I was basing my extrapolation of the whole scenario from.
Agreed. Personally, I've always seen the 2290s Romulan Star Empire as a lot of talk with only enough ability and unpredictability to barely be a threat. (Think North Korea.)Non-interference sounds right. Apart perhaps from the cloak that's the only part of the plot they could contribute, and I doubt they're going to give the Klingons military technology.I wonder just why Nanclus would be in on it - what could he offer to the conspirators? Support on the Federation side, or merely a pledge not to interfere on behalf of the Klingons
Exactly, as many as my friends will attest.That of course begs the question why any of the conspirators didn't hear the loud alarm bell of a Romulan backing the plan. I think an enthusiastic Romulan co-conspirator is just about the clearest indicator that your plan involves stabbing yourself in the back...
But he obviously wasn't, since Chang hailed Kirk from Kronos-1, not the Bird of Prey (I kinda think Uhura would have noticed something weird like that, in addition to the fact that Chang is clearly hanging in zero gravity during the conversation).Oh, Enterprise would perish all right - but Chang's main worry would be about whether Kronos 1 would survive the battle. He'd still be safer aboard the BoP...
Not for Chang's purposes. Since Gorkon is already dead, there are no cool heads left on the ship to be the voice of restraint. Regardless of who actually wins the battle, any shooting match between the Chancelor's flagship and a Federation starship results in full-scale war between the Klingons and the Federation. Chang probably figured that the worst case scenario was an exchange of torpedo fire, both ships take damage, Kronos-1 retreats into Klingon space as Enterprise runs home to tell Starfleet what happened... assuming, of course, that he wasn't counting on Burke and Samuel having sabotaged Enterprise' phaser banks or some crap like that.Just letting the cruiser and Kirk's ship slug it out would be quite risky.
Then there's a war, and Chang gets to sit in one of Starfleet's club-med prison cells while waiting for his comrades to come rescue him. Humans, unlike Klingons, DO take prisoners.And if the cruiser were allowed to lose...
Maybe not... at this time, the Klingons appear to have a more or less intact government that actually follows its own laws, possibly Gorkon's attempts to route out corruption in the ranks. Otherwise the conspiracy wouldn't even be necessary; Chang would simply have assassinated Gorkon himself and lead the Empire to war (he can't, because at this point in history you can't even challenge him to a boxing match without being brought up on charges). So Chang knows that if the record of Enterprise' surrender is in Kronos-1's databanks, then he's the one who gets sent to Rurapenthe for violating interstellar law.The only thing I can bring up against that is the fact the Enterprise wasn't destroyed. Chang had the ship dead-to-rights; she was sitting unshielded after launching an unprovoked attack. If Chang had pulled the trigger, nobody on the Klingon side would have dreamed of complaining. But he didn't - he stood down and allowed Kirk and McCoy to beam on-board. This, to me, suggests the Enterprise' destruction wasn't a key point of either the Klingon or Federation end of the plot. I do agree it's a possible outcome both Cartwright and Chang had expected and accepted.Maybe not a given. I think the Klingons expected it, though, and I think Cartwright was prepared for it. In either case, it's my belief that the loss of the Enterprise would have served the cause of war better - the Klingons have a martyr to fight for (Gorkon) and the Federation have a martyr to fight for (Enterprise.)
As for Nanclus; I don't think there's any reasonable way to explain how he was so chummy, except perhaps by saying he was literally chummy. The Federation president may have blurred the line between Nanclus-the-ambassador and, perhaps, Nanclus-the-close-friend to the point where he got too close. Complete conjecture, of course.
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