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Earth's Role

It's anything but a "cheap gimmick" and Star Trek TOS was virtually always "human focused" - we saw, at most, a couple of aliens serving in Starfleet during the entire run of the series, and not even that many human beings who were directly identified as having been born anywhere other than Earth.

And you know happened with Star Trek over the years after TOS? It grew up. TNG included a pure blooded alien who was a primary character and DS9 gave us multiple alien characters who had many episodes dedicated to them even without the human characters.

Star Trek grew from a series where humanity was the center of the galaxy to just becoming part of a much bigger and diverse galaxy where creatures that are not humans can be just as important in the grand scheme of things. Even WOMEN got to have a role more important than just being the receptionist.

But with JJ's Trek, we've not only gone back to the human dominant crew, we've also gone back to a male dominant crew. Whatever alien looking crew members that are in these films will probably be lucky to have*just a split second of screen time or one word of dialogue.
 
But with JJ's Trek, we've not only gone back to the human dominant crew, we've also gone back to a male dominant crew.

What male dominant crew? Even on the bridge there were females all over the place besides Uhura.

Deja vu.
 
But with JJ's Trek, we've not only gone back to the human dominant crew, we've also gone back to a male dominant crew.

What male dominant crew? Even on the bridge there were females all over the place besides Uhura.

Deja vu.
And Uhura is actually an important character in ST09 rather than eye candy/glorified extra.

Uhura seems to have a large and important part in "Into Darkness", too. And, Carol Marcus is an important character.

There were a lot of strong women characters in TOS, too. Aliens and otherwise. Lest we forget, the original First Officer of the Enterprise was cast as a woman, Number One. However, the future had to fit the present, and a woman first officer didn't fit into 1960s TV-viewing sensibilities.
 
And Uhura is actually an important character in ST09 rather than eye candy/glorified extra.

I know. I don't know what would have happened had she not been there to make out with Spock in a Turbolift.

I know. I don't know what would have happened had she not been there to make out with Spock in a Turbolift.

Or take her shirt off. :rolleyes:
Because those two scenes were the limit of her involvement. :rolleyes:
 
Her skills as a xenolinguist, as a signals-intelligence specialist, were shown to be key to many things in the previous movie.
 
TOS episodes were conceived as, if not written as, a metaphor for the human condition. Regardless of storylines and characters, to change that now would be to abandon entirely GR's vision.

Gene Roddenberry was also known to have said "If we aren't making a story about humans, what's the point?". Talk about writing other races of the Star Trek franchise into a corner. How can an attitude like putting us over anyone who isn't human be considered a forward thinker, or a man with a positive vision?

And it's not like Gene's grand vision was the hallmark of many great episodes. His control over TNG was very much absolute, and under his watchful eye he made the most ludicrous demands of every writer on the show. As a result, we have Picard calling a military uniform a 'costume', preaching about how we've grown out of our 'infancy' because we no longer wish to have possessions, and how humanity and humanity alone will some day be like angels and gods that may one day surpass the Q!

And if you think Gene practiced what he preached, look up the credits to the Star Trek original theme music and you may note that while he was not a composer, his name is there with Alexander Courage. What part of the theme has Gene's contributions in it? Nothing. Because he ripped off Alexander Courage by adding lyrics to the theme which he never intended to use, and as a result took half the royalties from the real artist who was just trying to make an honest living. This man not only wanted his share of Star Trek, but other people's share.

Gene Roddenberry: In the future, there will be no hunger and there will be no greed.

I sure don't mind if a good deal of STID is Earth based. One Earth-focused movie in a 46 year-old space franchise isn't going to hurt at all.

Except Damon specifically states that he wants Earth to play a more pivotal part in 'their' movies, meaning it's going to be the focus of a lot of plots should they decide to continue Star Trek their way.
Maybe someday when (if) we meet some real aliens we can produce some entertainment for them.

:rolleyes:
 
I don't have a problem with these early adventures in the Nuverse being Earth-centric. 'Bout time, actually.
 
Well, Zoe had more to do in one movie than Nichelle Nichols has in the entirety of her association with Star Trek - and if they're going to have Uhura disrobe, better she do it now than waving a bunch of fans around in the desert when she's past middle age.
 
It makes things more accessible and relatable.... but also a lot less interesting. I love the Star Trek mythology as a means of escaping from Earth, a reminder of my real life. The less we see of it the better.


I'll go along with that. A few establishing shots of San Fran would be great, but I really don't want to see the majority of the film taking place there.

I wish we'd get back to 'exploring strange new worlds', but I guess that not what nuTrek is about.
 
It wasn't what any Trek was about, 80 percent of the time.

I guess the fact that I enjoy my real life and don't feel the need to "escape from Earth" may explain some of my enthusiasm for Abrams's stuff.
 
A few establishing shots of San Fran would be great, but I really don't want to see the majority of the film taking place there.

I do. Seriously, I really do. I want to see what normal life is like in the Utopia without the confines of a starship.

They probably won't even show what I really want to see anyway. Stuff like what a citizen that doesn't work for Starfleet does for work. What someone does for transportation(I always wondered if transporters were common). Or what someone does for entertainment.
 
I guess the fact that I enjoy my real life and don't feel the need to "escape from Earth" may explain some of my enthusiasm for Abrams's stuff.


I enjoy my real life just fine; I'd just like to see Trek on the screen that felt a bit more like the source material.
 
I like it, if it's done right. I want to see Earth displayed as a paradise and something that we should strive for, like it was in the TV show.
 
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