Yeah, I was really trying to reboot it. You can also see my lack of Trek knowledge back then, what with the "1017" number. Perhaps it could be some odd alien reverse-engineering project, after having glimsed a Federation ship. Who knows.
Early Enterprise Design
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Wow - this was yours, eh? I honestly can't remember where it came from, but it definitely had legs back then, as people were talking about it being the next Enterprise. Always secretly liked this design - very Steampunk/Anime.
Really you did that? I like it its like a more Trek version of a Battlecruiser from the anime : Starblazers
I don't have a problem with the design in and of itself, but I agree with kaisernathan1701, the first thing that hit my mind was that it was a mixture of the Excelsior and the Battleship Yamato from Starblazers. Again, not a bad thing, just not what I would expect to see in Trek. Funny story about its origins though.
Sorry, but I'm throwing the flag down on this play. This design is the HMAS Dauntless from the long-running website and online RPG Steam Trek, with only minor changes to the shape of the saucer and graphics identifying it as Enterprise.
Misrepresenting ownership/creation of images and designs on this board is a serious offense, and can result in a warning or even banning from the board.
Strange, i got the reverse impression, for the following reasons:
-The version labeled Enterprise seems to be of higher resolution than the stuff from the steam-trek site, which might be caused by the limitations of the persons photoshop-skills.
-He claimed to have done that as a "fake" Enterprise-series hero ship, that would place this design in 2001, the credits on the steam-trek page say "2003-", which obviously is later.
-The version labeled Enterprise seems to be of higher resolution than the stuff from the steam-trek site, which might be caused by the limitations of the persons photoshop-skills.
-He claimed to have done that as a "fake" Enterprise-series hero ship, that would place this design in 2001, the credits on the steam-trek page say "2003-", which obviously is later.
I wouldn't go by the resolution of the image as proof, but there does seem to be enough reason to cast doubt upon which of the representations is the original. I'll contact the webmaster at the Steam Trek site; judexavier, please contact me via PM or e-mail (ptrope at gmail dot com) if you have any material to confirm the origin of this image as yours.
Unfortunately, the nature of the Internet makes it very difficult to retain/maintain authenticity of original artwork, and sometimes it's better to err on the side of caution, but when a recognizable image from another website turns up on this board, we have to make sure we're not adding to any confusion or misinformation.
Unfortunately, the nature of the Internet makes it very difficult to retain/maintain authenticity of original artwork, and sometimes it's better to err on the side of caution, but when a recognizable image from another website turns up on this board, we have to make sure we're not adding to any confusion or misinformation.
Well, I can assure you that it's an old thig I did back in 2000. I checked the steamtrek link...they cut/pasted the side view nacelles on top and put little turrets on it...basically what you said, but in reverse.
I agree that stealing images is a serious offense, and I would never do that. That's where the fun is, doing your own work. I don't mind that they adopted my sketch though, I guess in a way I should be flattered.
BTW, when I am able to post images, I'll put up the movie poster that went with the ship. Also have some movie Enterprise conjecture images I've been working on.
Sorry for the confusion, hope I can clear it up ASAP.
If that's true, you might also want to take a look at these two pages:
http://www.steam-trek.com/ships.php (the links on the right will show larger pics)
http://www.steam-trek.com/artwork.php
http://www.steam-trek.com/ships.php (the links on the right will show larger pics)
http://www.steam-trek.com/artwork.php
Thanks, judexavier; I've contacted the site administrator and asked for any information they may have regarding the origin of the images they're using. I don't want to deny proper credit to the person or persons who are the original creators of the images posted or linked to on this site, and I'm glad you seem to understand the need to confirm these things. As I said, given the nature of the Internet, it's easy for people to have their work claimed as 'original' by others who had nothing to do with it other than a quick 'shop job, and if this is yours, you deserve uncontested credit for it. Being a fan of "steam trek" as a sub-class (well known in this forum), I immediately recognized the artwork from having seen it for years on the other site.
I hope we can get this cleared up quickly; I'm looking forward to seeing the poster. You might, in fact, be able to post images now - there are still some questions about this aspect of the new board software, as we've had other cadets post images immediately upon joining. You can, at least, post a link, and if the image fits the board TOS (as I'm sure it will), I or another member can quote your post and convert the image from linked to embedded (as long as it is hosted on your own webspace, of course).
Thanks!
I hope we can get this cleared up quickly; I'm looking forward to seeing the poster. You might, in fact, be able to post images now - there are still some questions about this aspect of the new board software, as we've had other cadets post images immediately upon joining. You can, at least, post a link, and if the image fits the board TOS (as I'm sure it will), I or another member can quote your post and convert the image from linked to embedded (as long as it is hosted on your own webspace, of course
).Thanks!
Thanks Ptrope. I'm stuck on dial-up, so it's taking a bit of upload time, but I'm emailing you some pics that will hopefully get this cleared up. As for the posting an board software, I was happy to play by the rules and wait my turn. I can imagine keeping a board like this clean and proper is a full-time job. Job well done!
judexavier, thanks for your understanding and patience.
I received the additional images; nice work. What I have not received is an answer from the Steam Trek admin. Based upon the evidence in hand, including a review of the images posted on the Steam Trek site, I'm willing to accept that yours is the original artwork, and offer both my thanks and apologies.
I received the additional images; nice work. What I have not received is an answer from the Steam Trek admin. Based upon the evidence in hand, including a review of the images posted on the Steam Trek site, I'm willing to accept that yours is the original artwork, and offer both my thanks and apologies.
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Ptrope, thank you for contacting the webmaster for Steam-Trek.com, Mark Toboll. I apologize for the delay in response but he was on his honeymoon in Jamaica and only got back home last night. I wished you had contacted me directly.
I am Stephen Vossler, author of the Steam-Trek website. I would like to say to Judexavier, that we have been looking for you for quite some time. To inform you and others reading this post about the use of this design I should start at the beginning.
The original artwork, that you posted here, was also posted in the Pan Historia Novel "To Boldly Go Where No Gentleman Has Gone Before" which sparked the creative eruption that lead to the creation of Steam-Trek.com.
Back then Pan Historia was going through some serious growing pains that irritated many of their members into quitting the site. I was in this group but managed to acquire information from the PH moderator before leaving. I wanted to use the art on the site I was creating and was able to contact the artist Cory Gross for the use of his artwork and have worked with Cory to create more artwork going forward. The PH moderator did not have the name or contact information for the artwork in question but stated that the artwork was submitted by the artist with permission to be used freely.
In early versions of the web-site there was an appeal to find the artist of the original artwork but after years of silence and various reworkings of the site it was dropped. I hope you do consider it a most sincere form of flattery that all of the different United Kingdom of Planets capital ships are based off of your initial design.
As a person who works in the field of intellectual properties I appreciate the importance of giving proper credit to the creators of original graphics and design. I would be more than happy to credit you for your work and post the original artwork in the credits pages. In my profession (patents and product development) it is odd that certain similar ideas seem to spring up by people with no knowledge of each other at the same time. Before I ever found Pan Historia I had created an adventure for a Victorian RPG I titled "Steam Trek", Cory Gross was similarly inspired without any knowledge of each other, and neither of us had ever seen "Steam Trek the Moving Picture" that predated all of our inspirations. I would like to think that great minds think alike but I don't know if I would qualify.
Judexavier, I invite you to contact me directly to discuss the ships design. I am wondering if my interpretation is similar to your inspiration. Please contact me at Maxby@steam-trek.com.
God Save the Queen
Commodore Maxby
Captain, HMAS Dauntless
a.k.a. Stephen Vossler
I am Stephen Vossler, author of the Steam-Trek website. I would like to say to Judexavier, that we have been looking for you for quite some time. To inform you and others reading this post about the use of this design I should start at the beginning.
The original artwork, that you posted here, was also posted in the Pan Historia Novel "To Boldly Go Where No Gentleman Has Gone Before" which sparked the creative eruption that lead to the creation of Steam-Trek.com.
Back then Pan Historia was going through some serious growing pains that irritated many of their members into quitting the site. I was in this group but managed to acquire information from the PH moderator before leaving. I wanted to use the art on the site I was creating and was able to contact the artist Cory Gross for the use of his artwork and have worked with Cory to create more artwork going forward. The PH moderator did not have the name or contact information for the artwork in question but stated that the artwork was submitted by the artist with permission to be used freely.
In early versions of the web-site there was an appeal to find the artist of the original artwork but after years of silence and various reworkings of the site it was dropped. I hope you do consider it a most sincere form of flattery that all of the different United Kingdom of Planets capital ships are based off of your initial design.
As a person who works in the field of intellectual properties I appreciate the importance of giving proper credit to the creators of original graphics and design. I would be more than happy to credit you for your work and post the original artwork in the credits pages. In my profession (patents and product development) it is odd that certain similar ideas seem to spring up by people with no knowledge of each other at the same time. Before I ever found Pan Historia I had created an adventure for a Victorian RPG I titled "Steam Trek", Cory Gross was similarly inspired without any knowledge of each other, and neither of us had ever seen "Steam Trek the Moving Picture" that predated all of our inspirations. I would like to think that great minds think alike but I don't know if I would qualify.
Judexavier, I invite you to contact me directly to discuss the ships design. I am wondering if my interpretation is similar to your inspiration. Please contact me at Maxby@steam-trek.com.
God Save the Queen
Commodore Maxby
Captain, HMAS Dauntless
a.k.a. Stephen Vossler
Commodore Maxby, thanks very much for posting and shedding light upon this. I know we corresponded a couple years ago, when this board had a Steam Trek theme for its monthly challenge, and I would have contacted you directly in this case, but I couldn't find your e-mail address, either in my own records or on the Steam Trek website. I'm glad to see that, in this case, events have come together for the best for everyone. (And please pass my congratulations on to Mark on his nuptials, as well ).
Hey, let's post some art!!
).Hey, let's post some art!!
darkwing_duck1
Vice Admiral
Slightly OT, but what happened to Shipschematics.net?
I'm here. Just checked it and it's still running. Just haven't updated it in a while.
It seems I inadvertently kicked off a little bees nest with bringing up the steampunk Enterprise. Sorry 'bout that. Never knew who did it - it just made the rounds years ago when ST:E was in pre-production as a potential design for the new ship. Glad it's resolved - and kick-ass design, BTW, along with the others on that site.
It seems I inadvertently kicked off a little bees nest with bringing up the steampunk Enterprise. Sorry 'bout that. Never knew who did it - it just made the rounds years ago when ST:E was in pre-production as a potential design for the new ship. Glad it's resolved - and kick-ass design, BTW, along with the others on that site.
darkwing_duck1
Vice Admiral
Sorry, guess it was a problem on my end...I couldn't get in...
