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E-space trilogy

Whofan

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Recently viewed this again, and to me it doesn't really work these days. Not because of technical problems-it actually has some of WHO's better FX and monsters for the time (Apart from Full Circle's spiders and State of Decay's bats)-but the stories themselves don't hold up that well IMO. It seems like Doctor Who at this point was trying too hard to be more sci-fi, but instead all three stories, which could've done something more interesting with the concepts, all deal with spaceships that are stuck!

Full Circle has an interesting concept-that of evolution and a completely stagnant civilization-and has some cool 80's style music with theme motifs for Romana, Adric and K-9 (Years before Murray Gold would give companions their own themes again). However, the acting, apart from WHO vet James Bree and George Baker (Who seems to be in everything) is pretty bad, especially with Adric and his buddies.


State of Decay is probably the best of the three. It's got vampires (The deadly, Dracula-inspired ones, not the Twilight types we have now or the goofy lady from Smith and Jones) in another semi-stagnant society, but Terrance Dicks gives us a more entertaining tale than Full Circle, with more wit and great chemistry between the Doctor and Romana.


Warrior's gate, while visually interesting (Well, at least the parts where they stroll through beautiful black and white photos and an old dining hall which shifts time lines), is a weird one, and the most confusing WHO storyline until Ghost Light nearly a decade later. Ghost Light at least had some witty dialogue, this is probably Doctor Who's most technobabble-laden story ever, and it didn't really make all that sense. Romana and K-9 mark II's exit is ok but kind of random. The design of the Gundan robots were kind of cool (It seems to be a common misconception that they're the same type of armor as the Warriors of the Deep sea Devils....same samurai inspiration, yes, but I'm pretty sure they're not the same prop.)


Any other thoughts on this trilogy?
 
Personally, I love it. Though State of Decay seemed hammy at the time, and I only started liking it once I started getting nostalgic about the Hammer horror movies.
 
Warrior's Gate still holds up in my mind it was written by Stephen Gallagher he later went to write for the Eleventh Hour and Crusoe. The trilogy is still pretty good forthe most part, Tom Baker was tired and even ill during Sate Of Decay, but I think overall it's still a good trilogy and I hope that Stephen Gallagher would write for the new series at some point.
 
I haven't seen them in years but I don't remember liking them very much. I didn't care for the later Tom Baker serials they were all so depressing. "State of Decay" had an interesting storyline though. Adric was so annoying. And I never liked Romana II.
 
The E-Space Trilogy are the only stories of S18 I really enjoy. Full Circle is a bit meh, but State of Decay is a really fun Uncle Terrence potboiler and Warriors' Gate is mad and all the better for it. I don't think Chris Bidmead's approach to the show was right at all, and Tom's obvious desire to be anywhere else makes the rest of the season extremely depressing, but for some reason don't mind those problems here.
 
State of Decay sucked, I thought Warrior's Gate was decent. Never saw Full Circle, which is kinda a backasswards way to watch a trilogy, but still.
 
Full Circle i didn't care for very much. State of Decay i thought was the best of the three. Warrior's Gate...eh. it had some interesting concepts and it was in slow in places but i didn't hate it.
 
Actually of the three I kinda like Full Circle best. State of Decay seems to swing from genuinly creepy to high camp, and I think it might have been better if it just picked one tone and ran with it. Warrior's Gate is interesting in a mind frak kinda way.

For me what's odd about the trilogy is that you could have really set those three episodes in N-Space, E-space itself never really feels like a different place.
 
Full Circle is pretty good.
State of Decay is boring and I don't get why that guy has string on his head.
Warriors' Gate is amazing.

I hadn't noticed that all three involved long-crashed spaceships, so I'm fine with that-- they all do drastically different things with the premise.
 
I actually enjoyed State of Decay (of course part of that could be the Lovecraftian style evil thing lurking beneath the round). Warriors Gate was pretty decent (was particularly fond of the Gundan robots) though it took me awhile to figure out what was going on.

Full Circle otoh, I really didn't like.
 
All three stories are great, in different ways, and they all work on a meta-level because the show itself had become stuck, in a sense. This is probably the first sign of the show's self-consciousness, which would become absolutely overwhelming by the time they put the Doctor--in universe--on trial at the same time that the show itself was facing cancellation.
 
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