I think you're missing out. The next two are particularly good. And God Emperor.... I sorta like it...
Dune(1984)...which editions have you seen and like?
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I think you're missing out. The next two are particularly good. And God Emperor.... I sorta like it...
Yes, but I think the Sci-Fi Channel miniseries is much more faithful to what was described in Dune Messiah than the Lynch Dune depiction.
I agree with Professor Zoom. I'll go further and say that I think you're missing out by not reading all of the Dune books that Frank Herbert wrote. While none of the other five books are as good as Dune, all of them have something to offer, and it's different in each of them.
I didn't read Heretics of Dune and Chapterhouse: Dune until this year. I'd put off reading them for 25 years, and I was simply glad that they were much, much better than I feared they'd be.
God Emperor of Dune is probably the best sequel, and I certainly agree that Dune Messiah is underrated (perhaps because it's so short?).
God Emperor of Dune is probably the best sequel, and I certainly agree that Dune Messiah is underrated (perhaps because it's so short?).
To be fair, Herbert's own depiction of the Guild seems to change from what's implied in the first book (likewise with the Tleilaxu/face dancer relationship.) In Dune, one of the big revelations at the end of the book is that the Guild Steersmen and Navigators are as terminally addicted to the spice as the Fremen, if not more so. Indeed, this is indicated as something they'd been actively hiding. They're also depicted as still being otherwise "normal" humans, the mutated "fishman" look doesn't crop up until the second book IIRC.
Regardless, from what I gather Herbert actually rather liked the "bloated foetus" design Lynch's film used. But yes, the navigator in Sci-Fi's CoD is pretty much bang on the money...the navigator in the first mini-series...not so much.
Something that often gets left out though; from what I remember, in the novels the spice wasn't said to be the main cause of the navigators' mutated appearance, but rather the generations spent in the zero gravity on their heighliners. I think the opening monologue from the Lynch film is the only source of the notion that the spice physically mutated them. I have to say, I like the former version allot more, especially after reading the KJA/BH prequels and their explanation as to how a navigator is "made." *shudders*
Yes, quite. I was indeed thinking of Edric from Sci-Fi's Children of Dune. Thanks.
Second only to Princess Babe-ulan's face at the very beginning of the theatrical version, the growling Guild language that gets translated by the 1930's style microphone thing in the opening scene is about the coolest thing in Lynch's Dune, which is to say I don't think much of the film (except those three or four seconds).
I can't blame Herbert for being pleased that such a high profile film was made of his book though.
I never really minded the weird monstrous look for the guild navigators in Lynch's movie because by damn it was interesting-looking (often the best thing the movie has going for it in any given scene).
I agree with Professor Zoom.
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Likewise, although God Emperor is my favourite book in the Dune series.
I agree with Professor Zoom.
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Likewise, although God Emperor is my favourite book in the Dune series.
The Sci-Fi mini bored me to tears. I prefer the Alan Smithee cut, although I'm intrigued by this fan edit version; I'll have to check that out sometime.
Iirc that comes in the aftermath of the big battle just before Paul fights Feyd where the former indentifies two men as guild navigators.
I would also recommend anyone who hasn't listened to the Lynch-Herbert interview to listen to it...there seemed to be a lot of optimism and forethought to the movie, and they genuinely seem to like/respect each other.
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The Children of Dune is a better mini, and the best of all the Dune adaptations overall so far. I was genuinely pissed I ignored it for so long, not watching it till this very year.
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^I'm not. It's a very difficult story to adapt. Hell, it's difficult to read. The whole book is mostly made up of Leto's introspection or lecturing his mortal companions.
Not that I don't like it or anything, it works fine but it's not what I'd call cinematic material. It'd make more sense to just skip right past it to 'Heretics'.
Not that I don't like it or anything, it works fine but it's not what I'd call cinematic material. It'd make more sense to just skip right past it to 'Heretics'.
Look up the episode "Mandy the Merciless" from The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy. It's a merciless/loving homage/ripoff of GEOD.