Dumb Menagerie nitpick i just thought of.

[Dale Sams]

Spock risks the Death Penalty for Pike....Sisko's kid up and became a theoretical physicist to find his dad....

....with no body present, I'm supposed to believe Spock didn't explore every avenue to find Kirk? With no body he would try and find out exactly what the Nexus is, and that would lead to him finding out.

 

[Green Shirt]

not sure what's going on here

 

[Avro Arrow]

Isn't this more a dumb Generations nitpick?

 

[ZapBrannigan]

It seems that the heroes will move mountains to put things right, except when they won't. The biggest gaffe in this regard is Spock not even considering time travel to restore his own entire planet in JJ-Trek.

 

[Nerys Myk]

It seems that the heroes will move mountains to put things right, except when they won't. The biggest gaffe in this regard is Spock not even considering time travel to restore his own entire planet in JJ-Trek.

Which Spock? Old Spock's planet was never destroyed. Young Spock knows nothing of how to travel through time.

Pretty much any episode after "COTEOF" with a tragic event could be fixed by time travel either using the slingshot or the Guardian, but they aren't. All the same size gaffe, IMO.

 

[topcat]

That's the problem of nuTrek.

we aren't sure if its the same timeline as we know. Or if its a modified version of the TOS mirror universe. Or an entirely separate mirror verse.

the nexus was an easy thing to understand. Sensors showed a massive energy ribbon that could wipe out whole ships.
So when a thing string of it hits a star ship , and destroys a section of hull and the guy standing in said section of hull. LOGIC dictates... the guy and missing section of hull are um,,,,, GONE FOR GOOD

 

[Nerys Myk]

That's the problem of nuTrek.

we aren't sure if its the same timeline as we know. Or if its a modified version of the TOS mirror universe. Or an entirely separate mirror verse.

Huh? Since when are we not sure? They've said in universe and out that it's a branching timeline that splits off from the "Prime Universe" when Nero arrives in 2233. So it's neither.

 

[Nebusj]

Huh? Since when are we not sure? They've said in universe and out that it's a branching timeline that splits off from the "Prime Universe" when Nero arrives in 2233. So it's neither.

Look, just because the characters say on-screen what the relationship between the Original and New Timelines is, and just because the people making the new movies have said repeatedly exactly what the relationship between the Original and New Timelines is meant to be, what makes you think we have any idea what the relationship between the Original and New Timelines is or is meant to be?

 

[Timo]

Restoring things through time travel might happen all the time. It's just that such things obviously negate themselves: if there's a restoration, then there's no need to go back the next time around, and the calamity happens again, and then there's a restoration again, and...

But the camera is connected to a stroboscope circuit, and we only see one iteration at a time. Sometimes it's the calamity one, sometimes it's the restoration one. Sometimes it's both, but that's a rare setting for the stroboscope.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Poltargyst]

Yeah the NuTrek characters pretty much bent over backwards to let us know it was an entirely new timeline after the attack by the Romulans.

But as to the question of why they don't just go back in time and put everything right, it's things like that that make me less enamored with time travel stories than I used to be.

 

[RandyS]

It seems that the heroes will move mountains to put things right, except when they won't. The biggest gaffe in this regard is Spock not even considering time travel to restore his own entire planet in JJ-Trek.

Ah. So I'm NOT the only one to notice this.

I always wondered......

 

[BillJ]

"The Menagerie" nitpick...

Why didn't they find a Vulcan (or other telepathic species) to serve as Pike's interpreter?

 

[Kemaiku]

Vulcans are touch telepaths and find the experience unpalatable altogether, especially in the long term, with humans.

It seems they didn't know that many telepathic species in those days, few of them wanted to spend time with humans, finding their thoughts disgusting or unnerving.

A better question is if his limbs were totally useless it wouldn't matter tying something into his nervous system physically to allow something more advanced than the blatantly stupid yes/no blinking lights.

I think someone at Starfleet was just ableist and having fun with him. No one would allow that kind of thing today.

 

[Terok Nor]

I never got how Nero created a new universe by altering the past. Does that mean no matter what our heroes do to restore the timeline it's pointless since all they're really doing is returning to their own universe and leaving behind ones where Earth was destroyed by the Cetacean Probe, The Federation are at war with the Klingons because the Enterprise-C never fulfilled its destiny, etc?

Every time I hear a character say something about being in the wrong timeline or fixing the timeline I'm going to think "what's the point?".

 

[Avro Arrow]

Why didn't they find a Vulcan (or other telepathic species) to serve as Pike's interpreter?

A better question is if his limbs were totally useless it wouldn't matter tying something into his nervous system physically to allow something more advanced than the blatantly stupid yes/no blinking lights.

In "Metamorphosis", we saw a piece of Starfleet tech read an alien's thought patterns and turn it into speech. You'd think something like that would've come in handy for Captain Pike.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I never got how Nero created a new universe by altering the past. Does that mean no matter what our heroes do to restore the timeline it's pointless since all they're really doing is returning to their own universe and leaving behind ones where Earth was destroyed by the Cetacean Probe, The Federation are at war with the Klingons because the Enterprise-C never fulfilled its destiny, etc?

Every time I hear a character say something about being in the wrong timeline or fixing the timeline I'm going to think "what's the point?".

The how is covered by The Many Worlds Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics (SCIENCE!)

The rest is covered by Author Intent. (FICTION!) So our heroes return their own universe when the plot demands it.

 

[BillJ]

In "Metamorphosis", we saw a piece of Starfleet tech read an alien's thought patterns and turn it into speech. You'd think something like that would've come in handy for Captain Pike.

Technology in Star Trek was never consistent. Each episode was almost a new universe.

 

[Push The Button]

The plot demanded that Pike's only method of communication was by blinking the light either once or twice. In reality, even back in 1967, a disabled person could have learned how to use that very same light to communicate in so many other ways, from a numbered word or letter chart to Morse code. Not to mention the modern-day tech that allows people like Steven Hawking to converse almost in real time.

 

[Bhodi Li]

How long prior to Enterprise's arrival was Pike's injury? Maybe he hadn't learned how to communicate any other way yet.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Months

MENDEZ: Oh, Jim, I just can't understand this.
KIRK: Mister Spock received a starbase transmission, a message from the former commander of the Enterprise, Fleet Captain Pike, urgently requesting that we divert here.
MENDEZ: Impossible.
KIRK: If my first officer states he received a transmission from
MENDEZ: Jim, I'm not doubting anyone's word. I'm simply telling you it's impossible.
KIRK: Why?
MENDEZ: You don't know? You actually don't know what's happened to Captain Pike? There's been subspace chatter about it for months. I'm sorry to have to be the one to show you. He's upstairs in the medical section.