Dumb and Bizarre Trek Novel Moments...

[Therin of Andor]

Okay, I'll try small words and small sentences...

Otherwise kindly shut the hell up or post something useful. I'm really tired of your posturing.

I know you weren't necessarily speaking to me, or anyone else except Christopher, but you've just lost in me any interest I had in reading your opinion.

I hope you can stomach the new film long enough to write your commissioned review. I don't wish to read it.

 

[foravalon]

There are times when I swear disagreeing with Christopher should be deemed an Olympic sport. So many people do it.....

hey TerriO, why the CLB-hatin'? It's just differnces of opinion...

I don't see any hating going on here, Terri's just expressing her observation that many people take exception to christopher's viewpoints, and I think it's an accurate one.

TerriO and CLB never get along AFAIK.

Yeah, that may or may not be true, but I don't think that really has anything to do with what's she's saying. She made a pretty neutral statement that didn't sound very malicious.

I personally think it is hilarious that the sentiments being expressed in christopher's direction by a previous poster in this thread are some of the exact same sentiments that christopher himself has expressed in the past. But that's not me laughing at Chrostopher, just the symmetry of the situation. It's irony, it's the great wheel turning. To quote Ms. Deanna Troi: "In another time and another place this could be funny."

And I don't think trevanian should be chastised anymore than anyone in the bbs else in this regard.

And on that note, I do wholeheartedly agree with Kirk1980 that we should go back to talking about stupid things about books, not stupid things about ourselves...

 

[Hartzilla2007]

There are times when I swear disagreeing with Christopher should be deemed an Olympic sport. So many people do it.....

hey TerriO, why the CLB-hatin'? It's just differnces of opinion...

I don't see any hating going on here, Terri's just expressing her observation that many people take exception to christopher's viewpoints, and I think it's an accurate one.

TerriO and CLB never get along AFAIK.

Yeah, that may or may not be true, but I don't think that really has anything to do with what's she's saying. She made a pretty neutral statement that didn't sound very malicious.

I personally think it is hilarious that the sentiments being expressed in christopher's direction by a previous poster in this thread are some of the exact same sentiments that christopher himself has expressed in the past. But that's not me laughing at Chrostopher, just the symmetry of the situation. It's irony, it's the great wheel turning. To quote Ms. Deanna Troi: "In another time and another place this could be funny."

And I don't think trevanian should be chastised anymore than anyone in the bbs else in this regard.

And on that note, I do wholeheartedly agree with Kirk1980 that we should go back to talking about stupid things about books, not stupid things about ourselves...

Here now someone explain to me why in the Badlands Duology it took Janeway to figure out what the whole Badlands curse thing really was.

 

[ClayinCA]

As far as recasting goes, I'm just glad the new Captain Kirk isn't an Elvis impersonator this time.

"This time?"

I might be mistaken, but I think Steve Mollman is talking about James Cawley of Star Trek Phase II here; I seem to remember reading that Cawley makes some of his living as an Elvis impersonator, which has the unfortunate side effect of Cawley's Kirk walking around with a big ol' Elvis hairdo, which looks...a bit odd...

As to all the other arguments...wow! I'm a little afraid to come in here after reading some of this....

 

[ronny]

As far as recasting goes, I'm just glad the new Captain Kirk isn't an Elvis impersonator this time.

"This time?"

I might be mistaken, but I think Steve Mollman is talking about James Cawley of Star Trek Phase II here; I seem to remember reading that Cawley makes some of his living as an Elvis impersonator, which has the unfortunate side effect of Cawley's Kirk walking around with a big ol' Elvis hairdo, which looks...a bit odd...

As to all the other arguments...wow! I'm a little afraid to come in here after reading some of this....

I've seen Kirk played by an Elvis impersonator. Here in San Francisco a stage group performed Mudd's Women with the genders reversed. The woman that played Kirk also performs under the name Elvis Herselvis, a female Elvis impersonator. It was a pretty fun and campy experience.

 

[TerriO]

TerriO and CLB never get along AFAIK.

Yeah, that may or may not be true, but I don't think that really has anything to do with what's she's saying. She made a pretty neutral statement that didn't sound very malicious.

Okay, show of hands, does anyone here seriously believe I couldn't be malicious if I really wanted to?

And I still say getting a Golden Snitch into a Trek story is still the most bizarre thing I've do...read. Especially considering my loathing of Harry Potter.

 

[foravalon]

Here now someone explain to me why in the Badlands Duology it took Janeway to figure out what the whole Badlands curse thing really was.

Because, as the worst UPN promo ever says, "It's Janeway or the Highway"

 

[JD]

They didn't really say that in a one of the promos did they?

 

[Therin of Andor]

Okay, show of hands, does anyone here seriously believe I couldn't be malicious if I really wanted to?

* cowers under furniture *

 

[trevanian]

And I still say getting a Golden Snitch into a Trek story is still the most bizarre thing I've do...read. Especially considering my loathing of Harry Potter.

Hip hop Potter, anyone?

Smack my snitch up.

 

[Marie1]

Although sneaking a Golden Snitch from Harry Potter into a story and having it turn into a flying smiley face had to have been the most drug-induced concept to ever enter any of the writers' minds.

Oh, wait. I did that, didn't I?

That was awesome. Not to mention a great way to kick off my foray into SCE if its from what I'm thinking of.

Especially considering my loathing of Harry Potter.

Seriously? Cuz I'll be thrilled if thats for real...

In Trek, as in ships now, I take in that a bulkhead is still all the vertical panel thingys except the hull? I thought they were some kind of load-bearing apparatus and I was trying to figure out how on earth Taran'atar dented one in... but now it makes sense (and tougher walls are needed).

 

[JAG]

Okay, show of hands, does anyone here seriously believe I couldn't be malicious if I really wanted to?

* cowers under furniture *

Slides next to Therin

 

[Hartzilla2007]

Well then I would also like to bring this one to people's attention since we're back on topic.

I would have to with one thing that bothers me about Rogue Saucer. Why the hell would they have to go through a whole wargame simulation to test a Galaxy-class Saucer section that is suposed to be able to land instead of oh I don't know just landing it to see if it works.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Slides next to Therin

Hey, find your own coffee table!

 

[Stevil2001]

All I can say is that you've made me realize that I have no memory of Rogue Saucer.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

All I can say is that you've made me realize that I have no memory of Rogue Saucer.

Lucky you the plot holes in that book still bother me.

 

[Kirk1980]

I always thought the over-romanticizing of the Klingons in Pawns and Symbols was rather bizarre. And this was written BEFORE TNG with the cuddly Mr. Worf showed up!

 

[foravalon]

They didn't really say that in a one of the promos did they?

oh yes....

::shivers at the memory::

...oh yes.

From the Network that brought us The Secret Diary of Desmond Pfeiffer!

 

[Bonzo the Fifth]

I'm not sure how I feel about whether going back and redoing TOS with a new cast is a good idea or not. But I do know it was inevitable. Ever since the "Should they recast?" debates started up in fandom a couple of decades ago, I took the long view and figured that, no matter how much any one of us might argue that it was a bad idea, sooner or later somebody would do it. I actually didn't expect it to happen this soon, but I considered it axiomatic that it would happen.

I also think it's a given that someday, somebody will do a full reboot of the Trek universe, not just an alternate timeline but a completely distinct continuity that reinvents the universe from the ground up. After all, the 1960s assumptions on which ST was built will seem increasingly obsolete in the decades to come. We'll have advances in nanotech, genetics, robotics, and materials science that will make ST's core assumptions seem hopelessly antiquated (as some of them already do). And we'll have space-based telescopes so powerful that we'll be able to make maps of planets hundreds of light-years away. So the idea of a ship going anywhere in space without knowing in advance what they'll find there will no longer be tenable once the public gets used to oohing and ahhing over pretty pictures of faraway planets.

So actually, I think I'd prefer it if they had done a full restart like that. But I'm certain that eventually one will be done. Maybe in another 40 years, or maybe sooner.

Personally, I can't see why people get this upset about it... One of the most successful shows of our day is a total reboot/remake (BSG). I have reservations about what could come out of this, but I still intend to go see the movie and hope that it will be awesome... Even if it's not, it's not like the old Star Trek's going to go away... It just means in 10-20 years, we can sit back and make a 'worst ideas' list that puts the new 'Star Trek' between the script for 'Threshold' and 'Spock's Brain'...

It's certainly not worth getting all "Serious Business", as some people have been doing.

 

[trevanian]

One of the most successful shows of our day is a total reboot/remake (BSG). .

GALACTICA didn't work in 78 or 80, so there's really nothing to piss on historically, except maybe the fine miniature work. You've got about 30 episodes of the original and the 'finds earth' thing, but there's probably only about 100 good minutes in there not counting Dykstra and Hartland's best shots.

TOS is a different kettle of fish