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Dumb and Bizarre Trek Novel Moments...

However, as an exercise in character work, Doctor's Orders was great. I always liked the way Diane Duane wrote the Spock/McCoy friendship.

I agree. I will also go further and say that, IMO, Diane Duane has probably the best handle on writing the TOS characters than any author I've read. She realy "gets" those folks, I think.


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Duane's starfleet is made up of people that are equal parts scientist, explorer, diplomat, and soldier and they approach all of these aspects with equal skill and zeal.

Plus she is highly skilled in creating minor characters that shine in their own right but not so much that they overshadow the main characters.
 
Trip was the chief engineer aboard the most advanced ship in the Earth Starfleet. He'd spent more time around the warp 5 engine than anyone else. Tapping him to check out the Romulan warp program is no less appropriate than tapping Julian Bashir to check out the medical condition of the head of the Tal Shiar.

Plus he was probably the only person to ever be on one of the Romulan's ships.
 
I think Laas may have gone to warp in "Chimera," but I'm not sure if I trust my memory on that one.

Yes, I think he was pacing the Runabout while at low warp speeds. But we've seen in Trek a number of space-borne entities ("cosmozoans", as Christopher called them) capable of unassisted faster-than-light travel, like the crystalline entity. If the Founders are familiar with such species, then they just duplicate whatever biological properties allow such creatures to organically reach warp.
I'd forgotten that... kinda... yikes!

A couple of the WoDS9 plots had me scratching my head, like how a Federation world can so quickly degenerate into genocidal civil war,

Which one? Its been sooo long... feel free to PM me the answer... it seemed like so many planets in those books were doing weird things...

or how people pretending to be gods can themselves be rigid theists.

Not to start debate- but isn't that it? They're chickens pretending to be gods... tho I'm surprised their arrogance allows them to admit such a thing. Tho to me, (and I obviously don't think the Founders are gods) their "gods" don't seem godlike either... you're right!! This is bizarre! *toddles off to ponder this more*

My own bizarre moment has to be a child calling Taran'atar an alligator... and there's one more, I'll remember it after supper...
 
Which one? Its been sooo long... feel free to PM me the answer... it seemed like so many planets in those books were doing weird things...

'Twere Trill went kaplooey.

My own bizarre moment has to be a child calling Taran'atar an alligator... and there's one more, I'll remember it after supper...

I thought that was a cute moment. The child, having never seen a Jem'Hadar, obviously went looking for the closest referent he did know of. And if 24th century children have as much entertainment delivered to them via anthropomorphized animals as we currently do, then a tall, bipedal alligator wouldn't seem illogical to a child.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
 
There were two "crazy Vorta" stories in close proximity in the Wounds compliation, which seemed a little odd.

Which despite one high body count was awesome! I always knew they were insane! I feel validated... :devil:

Which one? Its been sooo long... feel free to PM me the answer... it seemed like so many planets in those books were doing weird things...

'Twere Trill went kaplooey.

Ah, KK... wasn't sure if it'd be Trill, or Andor, Cardassia... hopefully not the Dominion cuz... that'd just be... bad.


My own bizarre moment has to be a child calling Taran'atar an alligator... and there's one more, I'll remember it after supper...
I thought that was a cute moment. The child, having never seen a Jem'Hadar, obviously went looking for the closest referent he did know of. And if 24th century children have as much entertainment delivered to them via anthropomorphized animals as we currently do, then a tall, bipedal alligator wouldn't seem illogical to a child.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman

Oh, don't get me wrong, I thought it was adorable... but... the child wanted the "alligator" to pick him up and hold him... which for a child would be made of awesome... but still bizarre some how. I guess that factors in to the children not being afraid of him... but, ugh I'm starting to laugh now... "a tall, bipedal alligator" is just so funny!!!
 
ugh I'm starting to laugh now... "a tall, bipedal alligator" is just so funny!!!

You need to read "Death's Angel" by Kathleen Sky! You'll enjoy Ambassador Si-s-s-s-(click).

The words "need to read" and "enjoy" do not belong in the same sentence as the words "Death's Angel." Unless it's a sentence like, "If you enjoy making people suffer, tell them they need to read Death's Angel."
 
ugh I'm starting to laugh now... "a tall, bipedal alligator" is just so funny!!!

You need to read "Death's Angel" by Kathleen Sky! You'll enjoy Ambassador Si-s-s-s-(click).

The words "need to read" and "enjoy" do not belong in the same sentence as the words "Death's Angel." Unless it's a sentence like, "If you enjoy making people suffer, tell them they need to read Death's Angel."

The words "need to read" and "enjoy" do not belong in the same sentence as the words "Death's Angel." Unless it's a sentence like, "If you enjoy making people suffer, tell them they need to read Death's Angel."

Hehehehe. My work here is done. ;)

:lol: :guffaw: :lol:

I guess there are always the Gorn...

I may just try it anyway, and if its bad, I'll chuck it at you... :p
 
ugh I'm starting to laugh now... "a tall, bipedal alligator" is just so funny!!!

You need to read "Death's Angel" by Kathleen Sky! You'll enjoy Ambassador Si-s-s-s-(click).

The words "need to read" and "enjoy" do not belong in the same sentence as the words "Death's Angel." Unless it's a sentence like, "If you enjoy making people suffer, tell them they need to read Death's Angel."

Oh come on, it's not that bad! There is something so unfettered about those Bantam novels - all they had to work on were the 3 seasons of the show, rather than everything that's accreted to them subsequently. (Okay, Trek to Madworld and Perry's Planet are never going to be on my favourites list, but I still absolutely love Planet of Judgement)

Paul
 
Oh come on, it's not that bad! There is something so unfettered about those Bantam novels - all they had to work on were the 3 seasons of the show, rather than everything that's accreted to them subsequently. (Okay, Trek to Madworld and Perry's Planet are never going to be on my favourites list, but I still absolutely love Planet of Judgement)

I read the Bantam novels as they came out and liked most of them at least somewhat on first reading, with the possible exception of the Phoenix books, but Death's Angel annoyed me, partly because of the really lame aliens and the ways their names and appearances were just silly reflections of things from Earth. I'd reread both Trek to Madworld and Perry's Planet before I reread Death's Angel.
 
The words "need to read" and "enjoy" do not belong in the same sentence as the words "Death's Angel." Unless it's a sentence like, "If you enjoy making people suffer, tell them they need to read Death's Angel."

You beat me to it! :lol:

(But...am I a bad person because I kind of liked Vulcan!...?)
 
"Death's Angel":
Oh come on, it's not that bad! There is something so unfettered about those Bantam novels - all they had to work on were the 3 seasons of the show, rather than everything that's accreted to them subsequently.

A lot depends on timing and mood. I'd just read several great ST adventures, bought second hand, and then "Death's Angel" turned up all shiny and new! With all its alien ambassadors, it should have been a favourite of mine - I'd just read "Journey to Babel" as a Blish adaptation, but not seen the episode itself.

I must have had my bullshit meter switched on for "Death's Angel" because every time an ambassador's race or name corresponded to an Earth term I got angry. For example, I loved the little pyramid ambassador, who was mistaken for a table decoration. But his name was Hotep!!!!! The cetacean lady was... Sirenia. The black felinoid was Neko, which really does mean "cat". Etc. (I know, I know, TOS did that often, such as Lethe, Helen Noel and Mr Atoz, but these were early days for me.)

Then I met a new ST friend who'd just read the book and he thought it was the best comedy since "The Trouble With Tribbles". When I next met him, at a ST convention a few weeks later, he was dressed as Si-s-s-s (click) - and he won the costume parade. Years later, he was moving to England and he gave me the costume's blue crocodile head, which I still have. So, yeah, "Death's Angel" is one I kinda have a soft spot for, because Si-s-s-s (click) had some notoriety in Sydney fandom, including among fans who had never read the book.
 
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TOS - ‘The Price of the Phoenix’

The bit where Kirk cried because “The jungle had been beaten out of him”. One of the most rubbish bits in Trek novel history.

Bizzare

Vulcan’s Soul Trilogy

Spock married Saavik? Didn’t the authors read ‘The Pandora Principle’? Spock’s like her uncle or something. It’s like marrying someone you babysitted.

I can see the 23rd century version of Jerry Springer now: Amanda’s crying. Saavik’s crying. Nurse Chapel is crying. Sarek has stormed off stage. Kirk’s walked on and is trying really loudly to talk sense into Spock, who is sitting stoically in his chair. The crowd is chanting “Jerry! Jerry! Jerry!”
(but I reserve final judgement until I’ve actually read it!)
 
Vulcan’s Soul Trilogy

Spock married Saavik? Didn’t the authors read ‘The Pandora Principle’? Spock’s like her uncle or something. It’s like marrying someone you babysitted.

I've never understood that idea. Yes, Spock was a mentor/teacher figure to her, but there's no biological relationship between them, and their "romance" (if the term is applicable) didn't happen until decades after their relatively brief mentor-pupil interaction. Also, the books differ on exactly how Saavik's childhood went; TPP postulates that Spock took a year off from Starfleet to teach her, but other works (including the Vulcan's ___ books, I believe) instead postulate that Spock arranged for Sarek and Amanda to see to Saavik's education.

Besides, the precedent already exists in canon. They had sex in The Search for Spock. I'm surprised how many people dwell on the "father figure" image that comes from one non-canonical book while ignoring the established fact that she "cured" his pon farr on the Genesis Planet (and was going to be pregnant with his child in early drafts of The Voyage Home).
 
Uhura sleeps in the nude. A little strange, given that we’re on an alien and very possibly hostile Dyson Sphere heading for oblivion inside a black hole. But it gets weirder: Uhura’s long-lost solo space explorer father starts calling to her in her sleep. So she gets up and heads outside to find him. In the nude.

Liar. Uhura is wearing a "filmy underskirt" when that happens according to page 90 of my 1st edition The Starless World.

TGT
 
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