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Re: DTI: The Collectors by Christopher L. Bennett Review Thread (Spoil

^No, I just wanted something dangerous that would have a reason to be in the Vault. Niven may have popularized the idea of the temporal stasis field, but it's ubiquitous enough in science fiction that I didn't think of it as having any specific association with his work. (The OED lists the earliest verified usage as a Heinlein story from 1942.)
 
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What about the time loop device discovered by the U.S.S. Kyushu off-page in The Buried Age?

Oh, I forgot about that one. EDIT: I've updated the Vault inventory in my annotations to include it. Good catch, since that was my first mention of the idea of the DTI having a secret vault.
I am glad to help.

I saw the note for page 133 in Chapter IX. Star Trek Into Darkness is 33 years after the opening of Star Trek?
 
Re: DTI: The Collectors by Christopher L. Bennett Review Thread (Spoil

You're right, it should be 26 years, not 34. I was thinking of the divergence in 2233 (and STID in 2259-60), and I got the numbers mixed up. Will fix.
 
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What was the Booser Gold reference? A friend of mine is a fan and she'd love it.

UPDATE: Nevermind... I see it in your annotations. Thanks for those, by the way!

And I could never handle the stress of the job. I've been to Hollywood once, and it was enough to convince me that I don't need to go back.

Bummer!! I always said that if Paramount asked me to make a Trek movie (which obviously isn't happening... ever), you'd be the first person I call to toss around story ideas!
 
Re: DTI: The Collectors by Christopher L. Bennett Review Thread (Spoil

^No, I just wanted something dangerous that would have a reason to be in the Vault. Niven may have popularized the idea of the temporal stasis field, but it's ubiquitous enough in science fiction that I didn't think of it as having any specific association with his work. (The OED lists the earliest verified usage as a Heinlein story from 1942.)

Fair enough... I wasn't thinking so much of the stasis field itself as the idea of Something Nasty From Millennia Past (especially one whose race had wiped itself out) encased in one.
 
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Honestly, it's been ages since I read World of Ptavvs, so the connection didn't occur to me.
 
new DTI?

Christopher, do you have any plans/ideas for another DTI novel? If so, what kinds of ideas?

And what is the process that led from the first to the second or the second to the third? Meaning like did you always have the ideas for Forgotten History and The Collectors bouncing around and you just had the opportunity to execute and explore them OR was it the plan from the beginning?
 
Re: new DTI?

Christopher, do you have any plans/ideas for another DTI novel? If so, what kinds of ideas?

Whatever might be floating around in my head, it'd be premature to say anything at this point.


And what is the process that led from the first to the second or the second to the third? Meaning like did you always have the ideas for Forgotten History and The Collectors bouncing around and you just had the opportunity to execute and explore them OR was it the plan from the beginning?

There was never a plan. I've approached each installment as if it were the last one I'd do. It was my editor who suggested a TOS/DTI crossover novel, and who then listed DTI as one possibility I might consider for an e-novella. In each case, I saw it as a chance to develop dangling threads or leftover potentials from earlier works. In the case of Forgotten History, I used it as a chance to sneak in an Ex Machina sequel/prequel and to reference a lot of stuff from the animated series as well as to flesh out the DTI's origins. In the case of The Collectors, it was a chance to flesh out elements I liked from Watching the Clock such as Jena Noi and the Eridian Vault.
 
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Finally finished it. I will look at the annotations and do another pass tomorrow. Christopher's novels are too detail rich which makes it harder to just form an opinion quickly.
 
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The concept of a Spock Loop must drive people studying temporal mechanics crazy.

"Let's see, a Spock Loop, that was the time he and Captain Kirk had to go back in time to prevent the Nazis winning World War II."

"No, you idiot, that was Captain Archer and T'Pol."

"Nuh-uh, Kirk and Spock did it too."

"Well in any case, that's not a Spock Loop."

"Okay, smart guy, what is it."

"It's that time Spock gave the formula for transparent aluminum to Dr. Nichols."

"That's a Scott Loop."

"Oh, I know, it's when Spock went back in time and reverted to a primitive Vulcan and knocked up an alien space babe, then he later had to go back and find his son."

"I don't remember that episode. Are you sure you aren't just making that one up?"
 
Re: DTI: The Collectors by Christopher L. Bennett Review Thread (Spoil

The concept of a Spock Loop must drive people studying temporal mechanics crazy.

"Let's see, a Spock Loop, that was the time he and Captain Kirk had to go back in time to prevent the Nazis winning World War II."

"No, you idiot, that was Captain Archer and T'Pol."

"Nuh-uh, Kirk and Spock did it too."

"Well in any case, that's not a Spock Loop."

"Okay, smart guy, what is it."

"It's that time Spock gave the formula for transparent aluminum to Dr. Nichols."

"That's a Scott Loop."

"Oh, I know, it's when Spock went back in time and reverted to a primitive Vulcan and knocked up an alien space babe, then he later had to go back and find his son."

"I don't remember that episode. Are you sure you aren't just making that one up?"

:lol:
 
Re: DTI: The Collectors by Christopher L. Bennett Review Thread (Spoil

Well we can't say Christopher is lacking a sense of humor.
Tiny - armed B.Rex actually made me laugh out loud.
 
Re: DTI: The Collectors by Christopher L. Bennett Review Thread (Spoil

The first two DTI books were good, but this one is great.

Maybe it's because the first two had such a focus on stitching together all of the on-screen time travel of Trek (which was handled wonderfully, I should add), or giving some sense, meaning, and closure to the Temporal Cold War (in a satisfying way), but this ebook feels like the first "fully-fledged" DTI novel. It's like the Battlestar Galactica reboot: the opening mini-series was entertaining, but it wasn't until the first episode, "33," that the audience really got a sense of what the ongoing series would actually be like week-to-week.

If this is any indication of what a regularly scheduled DTI ebook series would be like, then I would like to join the queue right now for the next installment.

The story definitely gave me a Warehouse 13 vibe with the primary agents involved with the A-story and the supporting characters/agents hanging back at home and trying to offer support. That Ranjea and his partner spent their chapters wandering around the Vault, that's full of artifacts, while bantering and teasing one another in a very Claudia/Jinxs manner, just added to this impression. Mind you, this a complimentary comparison, since I was a fan of WH13 and, evidently, DTI works very well as a fun procedural.:)

The book itself was the perfect length; fast-paced, yet still FULL of ideas and concepts. I read this in one sitting, still felt sated from the experience of reading a complete story, and left happily eager for more stories with these characters. Not a bad entertainment value for the slim price of admission.

Christopher, your imagination seemed unbridled in your depiction of the future. Each page was loaded with interesting speculations on where Trek would lead in the centuries after the 24th, but they all felt like completely authentic and natural extensions of the technology and cultures that already exist in Trek. Brilliant stuff.

The substance of your story was clever and remarkable, but I would also like to point out that your writing style was superb in this. Your handling of the multiple versions of the same character scenes, the sharp dialogue between Dulmer, Lucsly, & Noi every time they interacted, the complicated action scenes, and, most of all, the healthy dose of humor that you managed to mine from these characters and situations.

Lucsly keeping his eyes closed in the future...the Borgasaurus not being able to assimilate someone because of his short arms...and I had to smile when I read the scene of Dulmer and Lucsly playing the "day-of-the-week" game in their detention cell. Of course, what a perfectly in-character thing for them to do. :lol:

Well done, all around.
 
Re: DTI: The Collectors by Christopher L. Bennett Review Thread (Spoil

^Thanks so much! And the Warehouse 13 echoes were entirely intentional.
 
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Yeah I forgot to mention that, Christoper. I agree with Sto-Vo-Kory, the interactions between the variations on the characters were brilliant - the two Nois.
 
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Absolutely loved this. I would love to spend more time in the 31st Century. I am curious though, Christopher. Was your 31st Century Federation at all inspired by Peter F. Hamilton's Greater Commonwealth? The parts about transgalactic transit and finalkill resonated for me.
 
Re: DTI: The Collectors by Christopher L. Bennett Review Thread (Spoil

A good fun romp, Borg.rex maybe pushed it a bit :)
 
Re: DTI: The Collectors by Christopher L. Bennett Review Thread (Spoil

I am curious though, Christopher. Was your 31st Century Federation at all inspired by Peter F. Hamilton's Greater Commonwealth? The parts about transgalactic transit and finalkill resonated for me.

I'm completely unfamiliar with that.
 
Re: DTI: The Collectors by Christopher L. Bennett Review Thread (Spoil

I am curious though, Christopher. Was your 31st Century Federation at all inspired by Peter F. Hamilton's Greater Commonwealth? The parts about transgalactic transit and finalkill resonated for me.

I'm completely unfamiliar with that.

Oh I think that Hamilton would be right up your alley. Commonwealth Universe especially; his Night's Dawn trilogy is a little goofier.
 
Re: DTI: The Collectors by Christopher L. Bennett Review Thread (Spoil

This book is just plain fun! Had so much fun with this one and the lightness of the tone. Hope there will be more DTI books, they just keep getting better.
 
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