I do think they are using it to allow themselves freedom that they wouldn't otherwise have. But I'm perfectly fine with it being an altered timeline.
DSC to TOS and time
- Thread starter Ronald Held
- Start date
I do think they are using it to allow themselves freedom that they wouldn't otherwise have. But I'm perfectly fine with it being an altered timeline.
It also ignores the fact that Spock also saw the four founding worlds and billions of people get death-starred. Is that also the original TOS timeline? But that contradicts TOS itself where they are obivously fine. So, it makes more sense that both the vision of Michael dying and the Federation being annihilated are only possibilities, which can be prevented if someone intervenes in time. They aren't the 'true destiny'.
Anecdotal, of course, but I do see quite a few fans who seem to dislike/resent the character latching onto the whole "maybe Michael was destined to die or erase herself from the timeline" theories.
Anecdotal, of course, but I do see quite a few fans who seem to dislike/resent the character latching onto the whole "maybe Michael was destined to die or erase herself from the timeline" theories.
such as?
if Michael died in the "original" timeline, then there's no way she can be the Red Angel. How can a dead person travel back in time to save themself?
Not sure it is anymore grim than the timeline that had Spock die as a child in "Yesteryear". "Yesteryear" is actually a huge hangup in all of this. Spock attempted to save Burnham, yet Burnham let Spock go to the Forge alone.
I still tend to think of Discovery as its own timeline with its own flow of events. Seriously, no one is going to expect Pike to be going beep-beep in this timeline.
Unless it is a version that is from another timeline.
in season 10 or 11 probably
Is it not established in "If Memory Serves", though? Without Spock having the Red Angel's vision, Michael would have died in The Forge. And they keep saying the Angel is altering the timeline, to prevent the apocalyptic future.
Pretty sure the mass destruction occurs 500 years hence, in the Angel's time.
There may have been a thread or two about it
That's true, maybe the event happens that far in the future, perhaps I missed a few clues. More excuse for a re-watch and yet...isn't the argument that Michael's death happened in the 'real' TOS timeline? That she was destined to die. Doesn't that also make the latter vision Spock had part of the same timeline? That the four worlds are destined to be destroyed.
Or is one destined and one preventable. See where the logic falls down? Why does Michael's death have to happen while the latter requires intervention? Why treat the visions, both coming from the RA as different kinds of warnings?
I'm only talking about the people who are arguing that Michael's death needs to happen to save the TOS timeline. They seem to think that somehow the RA was motivated to go back in time to save Michael specifically for reasons, but somehow that was a mistake.
They are applying City on the Edge of Forever logic, whereas I think this is meant to be a closed temporal causality loop - more Bell Riots or Times Arrow style.
Or is one destined and one preventable. See where the logic falls down? Why does Michael's death have to happen while the latter requires intervention? Why treat the visions, both coming from the RA as different kinds of warnings?
I'm only talking about the people who are arguing that Michael's death needs to happen to save the TOS timeline. They seem to think that somehow the RA was motivated to go back in time to save Michael specifically for reasons, but somehow that was a mistake.
They are applying City on the Edge of Forever logic, whereas I think this is meant to be a closed temporal causality loop - more Bell Riots or Times Arrow style.
It is possible I'm misinterpreting due to the hostile probe (which now controls Airiam) being explicitly from 500 years in the future. Perhaps it's from whatever rises up after a more immediate apocalypse?
Spock refers to the mass destruction as "The end of the current timeline" giving me the impression they're working towards stopping something in the far future.
Yeah, in the timeline where Michael died as a child, the four worlds are destroyed.
Temporal mechanics gives me a headache. I just hope they're applying more logic to whatever time travel plot they have come up with than the ENT writers did.
Ugh, tell me about it. Me, too.
