Spoilers DSC: Drastic Measures by Dayton Ward Review Thread

[Leto_II]

It wasn't my intention that George Kirk be on the Enterprise at this point in time. Best Destiny makes it seem as though he's not been aboard the ship since the events of Final Frontier.

Ah, I must've misassociated/conflated those two mentions in the book, where someone says early on that the Connies are being kept a Starfleet secret, and then a bit later when Winona Kirk tells Georgiou that George is always off on "secret missions" for Starfleet. Re-reading them again both now, it seems they're more contextually-independent than I remembered them being.

 

[Ronald Held]

Only 10 chapters in. Nice reference to Elba II. In recent novel continuity, since when was the Constitution class secret in 2246?

 

[JD]

So I'm right. Must be on a other classified ship. Must be the Vengeance.

Would the Veneance exist in the Prime Universe? I haven't watched Into Darkness in a while, but I thought the events that lead to Marcus developing it would have only happened in the Kelvinvers after the first movie.

 

[The Wormhole]

So I'm right. Must be on a other classified ship. Must be the Vengeance.

Not really. Since he had served on the Enterprise, his time there was presumably classified. And besides, I'm sure in his day he was on a classified mission or two anyway.

Didn't realize there were Betazoids in Starfleet that early on. i always thought they were a 24th century addition.

Betazoids have already been mentioned on Discovery itself. IIRC, Harry Mudd robbed a bank on Betazed.

Also Lorca's speech at the end sort of gives the impression that the Vulcans were helpful during the ENT era. Archer and Tucker would strongly disagree there.

The Vulcans helped Earth transform itself from a post-apocalyptic society to a flourishing united world. Archer and Trip were just bitter they didn't share some of their more advanced technology.

In recent novel continuity, since when was the Constitution class secret in 2246?

I maybe wrong, but I think that's something this novel introduced. But why not? This is only a year after the Enterprise was launched, and if we're sticking with the belief the Enterprise was one of the earlier Constitutions, than the class is still young and the most advanced ship type in Starfleet. It makes sense there'd be extra security surrounding it.

Also, this could serve as an explanation as to why we never see any Constitutions taking part in this Klingon war.

 

[thribs]

Would the Veneance exist in the Prime Universe? I haven't watched Into Darkness in a while, but I thought the events that lead to Marcus developing it would have only happened in the Kelvinvers after the first movie.

I’m just naming another ship that was top secret. I don’t think there is actually one around.
Maybe he’s a temporal agent.

 

[thribs]

I know Betazed was mentioned in STD. Something I don’t really get since they’re telepaths but whatever. That doesn’t necessarily mean that they’ve made official contact with the Federation and that they would have betazoids in Starfleet.

 

[thribs]

Also, this could serve as an explanation as to why we never see any Constitutions taking part in this Klingon war.

Not really since the D7 was built by the Klingons as their answer to the Constitution. That means that by this time, they would know about them.

 

[The Wormhole]

Not really since the D7 was built by the Klingons as their answer to the Constitution. That means that by this time, they would know about them.

We haven't seen a D-7 on Disco.

 

[Christopher]

Would the Veneance exist in the Prime Universe? I haven't watched Into Darkness in a while, but I thought the events that lead to Marcus developing it would have only happened in the Kelvinvers after the first movie.

There's no reason to think the Vengeance would exist in Prime. And since it was apparently newly built during the movie's events in 2259, it wouldn't be around yet in the DSC timeframe or earlier in any case.

 

[thribs]

We haven't seen a D-7 on Disco.

We have. They look very different but they’re there. It’s in the episode where Lorca gets captured.

 

[thribs]

There's no reason to think the Vengeance would exist in Prime. And since it was apparently newly built during the movie's events in 2259, it wouldn't be around yet in the DSC timeframe or earlier in any case.

Well they need Khan to help build it and he’s still asleep at this time.

 

[The Wormhole]

We have. They look very different but they’re there. It’s in the episode where Lorca gets captured.

That's my point, it looked different. Actually, since when were D-7s the Klingon answer to the Constitution? We know from Enterprise the D-7 design existed nearly a hundred years prior to the Constitution.

 

[thribs]

That's my point, it looked different. Actually, since when were D-7s the Klingon answer to the Constitution? We know from Enterprise the D-7 design existed nearly a hundred years prior to the Constitution.

The producers have admitted that using the K'Tinga in Enterprise was a continuity blunder on their part and if the show was ever to be remastered, they would correct it.
Memory Alpha states that the ship was designed as their answer to the Constitution. It's the reason that it's near the same size as them.
I doubt that they would be still a secret by this point and even if they were, not using them in the battles makes no sense since that is one of the reasons they were designed.

 

[The Wormhole]

The producers have admitted that using the K'Tinga in Enterprise was a continuity blunder on their part and if the show was ever to be remastered, they would correct it.

Not exactly. A new design was created, they just didn't have time to do a CG mesh, so they went with the one which was already available that could fit into the era.

 

[Jinn]

Actually, since when were D-7s the Klingon answer to the Constitution? We know from Enterprise the D-7 design existed nearly a hundred years prior to the Constitution.

Well, you see there's that only video about the Battle of Axanar *gets punched*

Memory Alpha states that the ship was designed as their answer to the Constitution. It's the reason that it's near the same size as them.

What source does MA quote? I did a quick ctrl+f search for "Constitutio" on the D7 page and didn't find anything, although I may just ahve missed something.

 

[The Wormhole]

What source does MA quote? I did a quick ctrl+f search for "Constitutio" on the D7 page and didn't find anything, although I may just ahve missed something.

I just checked the MA page about the D-7. Many references to it being comparable to the Constitution but nothing saying it was a built in response to it. Indeed, they even claim it was based on a 22nd century design.

 

[thribs]

Apologies, it must have not been Memory Alpha but one of the other wikis out there. I still think they came to be because of the Constitution Class.
It's funny how they tried to make that blunder from Enterprise work. I suppose you could say that there were prototypes back then but it seems very early. I wonder if they've got prototypes of the Vor'cha-class at this point?

 

[SevenOfNiven]

Minor detail, but given the era, I'm curious about which version of uniforms/equipment everyone imagined while reading this. I was picturing the Discovery uniforms, but with the Kelvin-era phasers for some reason. Dayton, did you have anything in mind?

 

[The Wormhole]

Spoiler

I imagined the Disco uniforms myself, except at the end when Captain April showed up, I imagined him in a The Cage/WNMHGB type uniform as per what Desperate Hours established about those uniforms.

 

[David cgc]

I had DSC uniforms throughout, but with the phasers and communicators from "The Cage."