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DSC: Bring Back Beams! (BBB) - Return of the ship-mounted phaser beam...

Would you like to see USS Discovery fire a continuous beam?

  • Yes - I love beams

    Votes: 45 77.6%
  • No - I love bolts

    Votes: 13 22.4%

  • Total voters
    58
In TOS, TNG and VOY phasers are used to warm up rocks, which takes roughly 3.5 seconds. And they stay warm.
Phasers are classed as "particle weapons" so the energy beam we see is some form of particle field. Perhaps on "kill" it contains superheated plasma carried along a stream of particles, and that allows the target to be vaporized while containing the damage to the target only?
 
While we are talking about #BringBackBeams, there are a couple of other things I would like to bring back too:

Calm moments, archaeology, history, science:

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Visiting space stations:

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Colourful alien planetary surfaces:

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Drydocks:

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Just an excuse to post art really :)

Noice!
 
They need to make the same sound as Foxes...

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Aw man, it took me years to get this song out of my head. :D
I remember trying to find a fox costume for Halloween that year. It would have been easier to win the lottery :D
 
I think the moving light was meant to be either an energy charge of some kind moving along a bank of emitters, or an actual physical cannon moving along that bank, and converging on the optimal point to fire, before unleashing it's deadly blast. There was a diagram in the tech manual I think.
You, sir ... are a steely-eyed Missile Man!
 
It’s impossible to make that determination without using non-canon information from both franchises.

Transporters aren’t canon now?
An A-wing didn’t flop through a window now?
Photon torpedoes don’t travel ftl now?
Canonically, it’s an easy win, anyone saying otherwise is wearing their away shirt when they Trek it up. That’s cool. Nothing wrong with loving Star Wars. But damn near any starship, heck, a runabout, would say nanight to a star destroyer. Death Star too.
 
One of the biggest problems for a spacecraft is heat management. Heat, contrary to what people might assume, does not dissipate very quickly in space. That is because there is no air, or matter of any kind, to conduct heat away. Pure vacuum contains no medium for convection to take place in; heat can only radiate as pure EM. So, a starship builds up thousands of degree of heat from general operations, such as running a warp drive or firing weapons; hardly anything is lost, only added. Think of how much a PC can heat a room. This effect could cook a crew alive. One way you could deal with it would be to collect the heat in a disposable material, and eject this material (like a liquid, or solid heat-sink) into space. Presumably the Federation has an even more advanced method of managing heat; not generating it in the first place somehow.

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Phasers deal a shit ton of heat damage, like the magneto-hydrodynamic cannons in Mass Effect. In Mass Effect, a molten liquid metal is accelerated to huge speeds by a magnetic cannon, essentially spraying the enemy with a beam of superheated metal. Star Trek also shows this. In Star Trek, we see evidence of entire starships still melting hours after they were hit by Borg weapons at Wolf 359. We also see it during the Battle of Chintoka, where I think a number of ships are seen being slowly vaporised by Cardassian weapons. Science is awesome:

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They may be far more deadly to a starship in heat terms than pure kinetic damage; warping and destroying internal systems that pure kinetic damage may not be able to touch thanks to shock dampening. Think of what would happen to a PC if you aimed a hair-dryer at the motherboard. A phaser might disrupt computer cores via heat damage to their circuitry. I think at some point someone in Star Trek describes how horrific phaser wounds are. We see targets having different layers of tissue being vaporised at different rates during the movies and TNG. Presumably, torpedoes still use concussive, explosive force, albeit of a far higher destructive yield than current weapons. But phasers might primarily be a heat weapon, melting rock, flesh and metal.



I think the moving light was meant to be either an energy charge of some kind moving along a bank of emitters, or an actual physical cannon moving along that bank, and converging on the optimal point to fire, before unleashing it's deadly blast. There was a diagram in the tech manual I think.



The way that the stun setting supposedly works, at least in some material, is by sending a charge along the stream of particles to stun the enemy's nervous system. So it's almost like a taser, except the conducting material isn't a wire, it's the beam itself. I think I remember another franchise once had a weapon that worked in a similar way; a laser superheated air to the target, creating a path, then an energy charge travelled down it.

It’s your bank of emitters. Tiny hexagon ones make up the arc, so it can fire from anywhere on it, in pretty much any direction, or from multiple spots all at once.
 
@Timo - We do see the hull vaporising away at Chintoka, if you look closely at the Akira-class, basically that hole gets bigger. Maybe it's plasma torpedoes like you suggest. But it's also possible that maybe hand phasers project some kind of force field meaning only the target receives the heat; that's how I've recently head-canon-ed it.

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There was that example also in TNG of a Varon-T disruptor or something being used on someone.

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Maybe the phaser beam inside an atmosphere travels along a narrow force-field-tunnel, so the only point where the phaser heats anything is at impact, where the tunnel ends. That is how I rationalised the above example of Mirror Archer vaporising his rival.

In truth, it's just budget, but I rationalised it as being such extreme heat that the target continues vaporising (as they tend to refer to the process on screen, such as Chekov in The Undiscovered Country, "why not wapourise it?")

Disrupters, hand ones, basically blow individual cells.
 
Transporters aren’t canon now?
An A-wing didn’t flop through a window now?
Photon torpedoes don’t travel ftl now?
Canonically, it’s an easy win, anyone saying otherwise is wearing their away shirt when they Trek it up. That’s cool. Nothing wrong with loving Star Wars. But damn near any starship, heck, a runabout, would say nanight to a star destroyer. Death Star too.

Some of that is wrong, but this isn't the thread to argue it.
 
The long, arcing beams are more visually powerful than little pew-pews. I brought this up in the JJTrek forum and was just told that the "pew-pews" are more plausibly powerful.
DS9's "Sacrifice of Angels" battle... huge Galaxy-class ships swooping in and firing phaser beams that slice up Cardassian ships. Wow! Very exciting and dramatic.
DIS "Battle at the Binary Stars"... Starfleet and Klingon ships just facing each other, not moving, and firing tiny lasers at each other. Which brings me to another thread here that said how DIS could use better battle choreography, because I found it neither exciting or engaging. It came off as weak.
Bring back the PHHHSSSSEEEWWWWWWWWs
 
I think it's worth mentioning that even though it's better known for pew pew blasters, three of the coolest weapons in Star Wars fire beams. Not even counting lightsabers.
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Which is weird, because should it not be seen on the other side of the battlefront if anything? Isn't the tech presented as a Geonosis innovation? (Or did they just contribute to the supersizing?)

...Funny how the "lasers in vacuum" issue never arose in Star Trek - until DSC gave us a case with Tyler and the workbee cutting tool.

Timo Saloniemi
 
I don’t think they were thinking of the lore when they designed that.

But yes, the Death Star was designed by the Geonosians. Dooku gave the plans to Palpatine after AOTC.

The Death Star actually started construction while the Republic was still technically the Republic.
 
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What lore? A Geonosian harboring the secrets of the Death Star project is in the very same movie as the LAAT pintle gun! Basically in the same scene, even.

Timo Saloniemi
 
What lore? A Geonosian harboring the secrets of the Death Star project is in the very same movie as the LAAT pintle gun! Basically in the same scene, even.

Timo Saloniemi
I mean they probably made the LAAT beam like that because it looked cool/ a Death Star reference.

I doubt they did it because the Death Star plans were in the same movie.
 
...So I would say they were thinking very much of the lore, at the expense of thinking of the work at hand. :devil:

The SPHA-T lasers follow the lead as well. Perhaps every SW beam is generated that way, but most guns have the decency to keep the weaving of the individual braids internal?

Timo Saloniemi
 
If we are talking about bringing beams back I want more scenes were people or things are vaporized by them. Well that or they need to do more of what they did with Crusher in "Datalore" and see people actually catch fire. Basically they need to make it look like being shot by a phaser is a bad thing, even if it isn't set on kill.

Jason
 
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