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DS9: The Soul Key by Olivia Woods Review Thread (Spoilers!)

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Re: The Soul Key Discussion Thread <Spoilers>

I believe the Prophets told Sisko exactly the truth, and he understood them, but it was Sisko who lied to Vaughn, knowingly and deliberately.
But that doesn't work when there is a scene at the beginning of 'Fearful Symmetry' where Sisko has a Prophet vision/Orb experience. The Prophets make it pretty clear that things are not in balance, according to them, because the MU Sisko has not yet fulfilled his destiny as their Emmisary. Sisko is confused, because he knows that his MU counterpart is dead. However, the Prophets make it clear that he is NOT actually dead, and still hiding out somewhere. None of this seemed ambiguous at all.
 
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Eh. I've followed the entire DS9 Relaunch so far, and the past 3 books have easily been the weakest. This whole MU bit was needlessly confusing and is really a story that could have been taken care of in a single book, IMHO. Alot of stuff going on with little resolution. Vaughn's trip to the MU seemed to serve next to no purpose. The whole thing was just weak.
Oh well, maybe it's just best have the multi-year jump coming up in 2010 to wipe the slate clean and start a new story arc from scratch. I'm just thankful the current one is over with.


I completely agree with this - I'm out, I thought "just one more book" and that was a mistake, once I know all of this is wrapped up and the series has moved on I'll pick up a book but otherwise, I am have no interest.
 
Re: The Soul Key Discussion Thread <Spoilers>

I don't have the book yet, but I did enjoy "Warpath" and "Fearful Symmetry" and I'm looking forward to the story's continuation. I'm pleased to hear the Ascendants do indeed tie in to this Mirror Universe arc. At the same time, the 5-year jump forward we're getting in 2010 excites me too. :)
 
Re: The Soul Key Discussion Thread <Spoilers>

Eh. I've followed the entire DS9 Relaunch so far, and the past 3 books have easily been the weakest. This whole MU bit was needlessly confusing and is really a story that could have been taken care of in a single book, IMHO. Alot of stuff going on with little resolution. Vaughn's trip to the MU seemed to serve next to no purpose. The whole thing was just weak.
Oh well, maybe it's just best have the multi-year jump coming up in 2010 to wipe the slate clean and start a new story arc from scratch. I'm just thankful the current one is over with.

I think that's maybe exaggerating a bit, but it's certainly clear (and imo the weakest part of Soul Key) that Soul Key was intended to be the other half of Fearful Symmetry. Splitting the narratives between Iliana and everybody else, all the backtracking, etc. If this had all just come out as one book then, I think almost no one would be complaining, and the Ezri story would've perfectly led right into Destiny. It's a shame that the book ran so long they had to split it; it led to Fearful Symmetry and Soul Key both being substantially more mediocre (FS because of lack of content, SK because of formatting weirdness and backtracking) and screwed up the pacing.
They could have and should have been one book. Why can't we get 600 page books (seriously, why are most Trek books 400 pages or less most of the time)? These two books could have been condensed into one 500 page book probably which would mean we'd be on to something else by now. Oh well, time to see how they pick it up from here.
 
Re: The Soul Key Discussion Thread <Spoilers>

I don't have the book yet, but I did enjoy "Warpath" and "Fearful Symmetry" and I'm looking forward to the story's continuation. I'm pleased to hear the Ascendants do indeed tie in to this Mirror Universe arc. At the same time, the 5-year jump forward we're getting in 2010 excites me too. :)
I definitely agree with you. I look forward to seeing what direction the book series is going to take and the direction of the characters story arcs.
 
Re: The Soul Key Discussion Thread <Spoilers>

I believe the Prophets told Sisko exactly the truth, and he understood them, but it was Sisko who lied to Vaughn, knowingly and deliberately.
But that doesn't work when there is a scene at the beginning of 'Fearful Symmetry' where Sisko has a Prophet vision/Orb experience. The Prophets make it pretty clear that things are not in balance, according to them, because the MU Sisko has not yet fulfilled his destiny as their Emmisary. Sisko is confused, because he knows that his MU counterpart is dead. However, the Prophets make it clear that he is NOT actually dead, and still hiding out somewhere. None of this seemed ambiguous at all.
I know exactly the scenes you're talking about, and that's not what happened. That's what Sisko told Vaughn happened, but we never actually saw/heard the Prophets tell Sisko that. The scene cut away before we heard what they actually told him.
 
Re: The Soul Key Discussion Thread <Spoilers>

I believe the Prophets told Sisko exactly the truth, and he understood them, but it was Sisko who lied to Vaughn, knowingly and deliberately.
But that doesn't work when there is a scene at the beginning of 'Fearful Symmetry' where Sisko has a Prophet vision/Orb experience. The Prophets make it pretty clear that things are not in balance, according to them, because the MU Sisko has not yet fulfilled his destiny as their Emmisary. Sisko is confused, because he knows that his MU counterpart is dead. However, the Prophets make it clear that he is NOT actually dead, and still hiding out somewhere. None of this seemed ambiguous at all.
I know exactly the scenes you're talking about, and that's not what happened. That's what Sisko told Vaughn happened, but we never actually saw/heard the Prophets tell Sisko that. The scene cut away before we heard what they actually told him.
Oh, ok. Although I was pretty sure that I remember the Prophets saying those things directly to Sisko...
 
Re: The Soul Key Discussion Thread <Spoilers>

No. Ivsxy808 is right. Definitely. I just reread FS last week, and even the first time I read it, it seemed like Sisko was lying to Elias about the other Sisko being alive. I didn't believe that for a moment. But I think Sisko meant for Elias to be the other Emissary; they even seem to comment on that in "The Soul Key" after Elias punches him. I think the crux of it, is that Sisko thought Elias should be the Emissary, cause he was touched by the Prophets the way Sisko was, but like Elias said in the Mirror Universe, there's the power of choice...and he apparently chose not to follow through with that. At least that's how it read to me. I didn't get that there was any deception on the part of the Prophets. But we knew from Fearful Symmetry that Sisko was lying to Elias. Maybe 'The Soul Key' was less confusing to me because I'd just read 'Fearful Symmetry' days before. There are still some lingering doubts about that thread, which I'd love more clarity for but I don't think we're going to get any of it soon, which sucks.
 
Re: The Soul Key Discussion Thread <Spoilers>

^ No, I agree. I think Sisko decided Elias should be Emissary, and sent him over for that purpose, and Elias figured it out and said the hell with it.

MirrorIliana showed up, the Prophets said - pretty explicitly - "huh, that's odd, but you'll do", and then Elias went back to Sisko and punched him because Sisko was trying to manipulate him into something that, in hindsight, wasn't even necessary in the first place.
 
Re: The Soul Key Discussion Thread <Spoilers>

I am avoiding spoilers... making my appearance in this thread... stupid. I haven't read any of the thread, but this is the spoiler one... dunno if this has been covered, or who I'm going to find replies to this... but I'll manage. :evil:

From... Mission Gamma Four, is not this part from TSK referring?

Page 92- Taran'atar unable to provide Shakaar with intel? Wasn't he dead by that point? Or am I thinking of the wrong thing or should that word be "about" or...?

*runs from thread*
 
Re: The Soul Key Discussion Thread <Spoilers>

Yeah, I had definitely been expecting it to be Vaughn. The stories ever since Avatar seemed to be leading in that direction.

I even remember Marco having to defend himself against accusations that Vaughn was too similar to Sisko, specifically because of the similar experiences that brought them to Bajor - single parent, wife killed by the Borg, on the verge of resigning from Starfleet, rejuvenated by contact with an Orb. I thought that all these things were in fact deliberate after all because Vaughn was intended to be the MU's Emissary.

Which makes me wonder if there was a change of plans at some point. In Fragments & Omens, Vaughn lamented the approaching end of his ability to serve in Starfleet. In Fearful Symmetry, he wondered if that moment had actually arrived. So it seemed inevitable to me that Vaughn would take the "give him back his life" aspect of the prophecy and become alt-Bajor's Emissary.

And, like NeoGothBoy74, I took the Sisko-Vaughn punch scene as an acknowledgement of that assumption.

Now, I can definitely see the appeal of the three-Kiras thing. I wonder if making Iliana the Emissary to the Ascendants was the irresistible idea from Paula Block, which required altering plans for Vaughn to be MU-Emissary to make it MU-Iliana and create the three-Kiras thing. But then, the "three" concept that has been in place since Rising Son - three Kiras, three races worshipping the Prophets, therefore three Emissaries. So maybe not.

But I don't really see how MU-Iliana fulfils the "giving her life back" aspect of the prophecy. As she was characterised, she didn't seem to have any major issues to get over that would qualify as that, beyond simply being vaguely dissatisfied with life in the Alliance.

And how does being the first to open the Temple qualify as being Emissary, when Kira, Bashir, and the entire crew of the Defiant have already travelled through the wormhole before Iliana got there?

Also, it's worth noting that, as Thrawn points out, MU-Iliana is only a place holder Emissary, a make-do alternative. I doubt the Prophets actually arranged her birth or anything - FS establishes that it was always meant to be Sisko. I guess the fact that he could still die without having fulfilled the prophecy brings the "choice" aspect back into things - just because the Prophets prophecize it, doesn't mean it's going to happen.

And that fits, because our Kira isn't the Emissary either. She is The Hand, which seems to imply her being their instrument in the linear plane. How that's different to the Emissary is unclear. She is obviously intended to lead the Bajorans' war against the Ascendants, which will bring her back into conflict with Iliana. Interesting that Iliana was right about her becoming the Emissary - she just got the wrong race. But then again, she's not the Emissary, she is the Fire - whatever that means.

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Re: The Soul Key Discussion Thread <Spoilers>

From... Mission Gamma Four, is not this part from TSK referring?

Page 92- Taran'atar unable to provide Shakaar with intel? Wasn't he dead by that point? Or am I thinking of the wrong thing or should that word be "about" or...?

*runs from thread*
I suspect it was misprint - not the only one in the book alas.
 
Re: The Soul Key Discussion Thread <Spoilers>

Lots to discuss about this book...largely due to its many confusing plot points caused by the whole muddied, senseless storyline.
 
Re: The Soul Key Discussion Thread <Spoilers>

From... Mission Gamma Four, is not this part from TSK referring?

Page 92- Taran'atar unable to provide Shakaar with intel? Wasn't he dead by that point? Or am I thinking of the wrong thing or should that word be "about" or...?

*runs from thread*
I suspect it was misprint - not the only one in the book alas.

Perhaps... but for once, I'm not seeing them somehow (usually I'm nasty about them) because I needed this book...

Now... (yeah, I skipped ahead...) I feel... odd.
 
Re: The Soul Key Discussion Thread <Spoilers>

I'd say the first half of the book is below average to poor. It's bad enough that nothing happens, but nothing happens to characters that no one cares about.

But after about page 150, the story starts moving forward and focusing on the better characters. Then it became pretty decent.

I'm glad to see the mirror universe stuff over and done with. Maybe the DS9-R can finally start moving on.
 
Re: The Soul Key Discussion Thread <Spoilers>

Does anyone know if this can be read without reading Fearful Symmetry or is it better to read that before it's sequel?
 
Re: The Soul Key Discussion Thread <Spoilers>

Soul Key ties in heavily with Fearful Symmetry. As some others suggested, it could have easily been 1 big book. Read Symmetry first.
 
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^ I'm not 100% sure that's true- the first half of the book has a *ton* of backstory, and at some points even more detail the former books, albeit usually from other people's perspectives. You'll still know what's going on... you'll probably be fine if you've at least read Warpath.

Still, I'd recommend at least trying to read FS, maybe at least Iliana's story...
 
Re: The Soul Key Discussion Thread <Spoilers>

Soul Key ties in heavily with Fearful Symmetry. As some others suggested, it could have easily been 1 big book. Read Symmetry first.

I would just skip the whole thing and wait for the new "Typhon Pact" arc in 2010 that will catch DS9 up with the rest of the post-Destiny series.

I sure wish I could recoup the time and $$ that I spent on the past three DS9 books!
 
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