DS9: Sacraments of Fire blurb
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I like how the blurb says "a nearby wormhole," like it's some random wormhole that just popped up.
David R. George III has said, as we could have expected from the cover, that Illiana Ghemor will appear in Sacraments of Fire.
Star Trek .com has posted the cover art and the synopsis. I like the artwork and can't wait to get this book. I jut finished reading unity and it makes me look forward to reading new Ds9 books!
Especially finding out more about the prophets and the mysterious bajoran character and Ben Sisko and the Robinson crew.
Especially finding out more about the prophets and the mysterious bajoran character and Ben Sisko and the Robinson crew.
There's at least two wormholes in the vicinity of DS9 - the red one and the blue one.
Millennium isn't really compatible as-is with the current Treklit universe, what with it very explicitly specifying that the MU doesn't have a Bajoran wormhole as a relatively significant plot point in contradiction to the current MU storyline (and in contradiction to the show itself, oddly enough). Plus present-day Vash's ultimate fate clashing with "Q Are Cordially Uninvited". It's one of those "something happened but that's all we know" stories, that much only because "Watching the Clock" had a passing reference to an incident with the Red Orbs of Jalbador, but nothing saying what exactly the incident was or that it involved a red wormhole.
(Also don't forget that Millennium's deal was that the red wormhole wasn't associated with a specific location in space, but only wherever the Red Orbs happened to be gathered; it wasn't a permanent phenomenon once established, it was more like a very dangerous version of the MU wormhole drive.)
Does it actually say that the wormhole doesn't exist there, or simply that it hasn't been discovered there?
That it doesn't exist; that's why the MU was considered a safe haven from any potential spontaneous vacuum collapse through the same wormhole collision that put the prime universe at risk. They mentioned charting subspace effects to be certain, or something along those lines, if I recall.
^Any chance they could've been wrong?
I'll double-check the text when I get the chance (and of course it's always possible regardless of how it's presented), but they were confident enough in it to reconfigure every transporter and replicator across the Federation and Klingon Empire into escape routes to the MU.
Did the anti-Ascendancy force actually make it into the MU? And if so, does that mean that those events in an erased alternate future still hold true for the MU? Or not?
I checked the book, and it turns out it's less firm than I thought; apologies for misremembering. I've copied the the relevant bit, from page 479 of the omnibus:
It does imply that said physicists determined that the wormhole doesn't exist in the mirror universe, I'd say (or else how would they be so certain that the Prophets didn't exist there), but it doesn't state it as explicitly as I'd thought it did.
It does imply that said physicists determined that the wormhole doesn't exist in the mirror universe, I'd say (or else how would they be so certain that the Prophets didn't exist there), but it doesn't state it as explicitly as I'd thought it did.
Given that "Prophetspace" is a separate spacetime continuum from ours, I'd expect that it wouldn't have different copies in different timelines of our continuum, but that there'd only be one that connects to various timelines as needed. After all, "Crossover" pretty much proves that, since the runabout entered the wormhole in our timeline and exited it in another.
Hold on, the characters actually call it the Mirror Universe in dialogue in Millennium? That's a bit odd. That term's never canonically been used in-universe. It's purely a metatextual designation. In DS9 they always just called it "the alternate universe." After all, the characters within the universe have no reason to associate the events of Kirk's crossover with the title "Mirror, Mirror."
Hold on, the characters actually call it the Mirror Universe in dialogue in Millennium? That's a bit odd. That term's never canonically been used in-universe. It's purely a metatextual designation. In DS9 they always just called it "the alternate universe." After all, the characters within the universe have no reason to associate the events of Kirk's crossover with the title "Mirror, Mirror."
They do, yes; exclusively so. To the point that the Federation's evac plan was called "Operation Looking Glass".
As for the other bit, it's not that the speaker is saying that there were no mirror Prophets, but that there were apparently no Prophets or their influence in the MU at all, either alternate or our own. No wormhole, no orbs, no Bajoran religion.
As for the other bit, it's not that the speaker is saying that there were no mirror Prophets, but that there were apparently no Prophets or their influence in the MU at all, either alternate or our own. No wormhole, no orbs, no Bajoran religion.
Yeah, but that's what I'm saying -- there's only one Prophet continuum, one set of Prophets, but they can open their wormhole exits (or not) in whatever spacetime continuum they want. And "Crossover" showed that the Mirror Bajorans had no knowledge of the Prophets, so Millennium is simply being consistent with that.
I don't quite remember what the more recent MU/DS9 continuity has said about the presence or awareness of the Prophets in the MU, but I have the impression that the events of things like "Crossover" and Fearful Symmetry/The Soul Key were about bringing the MU Bajorans knowledge of the Prophets for the first time. Millennium's future scenes took place in an alternate branch where the coming of the Red Wormhole threw history onto a different path, so maybe those events never happened there, so the version of the MU they were entangled with was one that never learned about the Prophets.
Not the first time in recent continuity, but more a rebirth of the religion; the Bajoran religion there had been suppressed but there was still an underground, somewhat akin to the Oralian Way on Cardassia in the main universe. The paghvaram itself was a result of the mirror Kai Dava (who was a Kai in that universe as well) sending one of the fragments of the by-then destroyed mirror Orbs through a pagh'tem'far to the prime Kai Dava.
And the Mirror Universe novels portrayed organized Bajoran religion as having gone underground with the Terran conquest. And re-emerged with Bajor's complete secession from the Alliance in Rise Like Lions.